Match 13351 Spider-Man vs. The Thing

[Guest Darxeth]

The Thing still loses.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Spiderman is not stronger than Juggernaut or Thor...Not even close. If your post was sarcasm then I take it back.

 

But he beats the Thing easily.

 

A little sarcasm, but I'm honestly baffled by the ways they've changed him. When i was reading Spiderman regularly, he was really strong, as in he could life a car over his head. The writers would often forget that he was this strong and treat him as if he was a peak human character but when they remembered he had roughly the proportionate strength of a spider. I've never seen any strength studies on spiders, but you regularly find references to ants carrying 35-50 times their own weight. taking Pete's 165 lb listed weight, that's somewhere in the 3-5 ton range and it made sense that mildly superhuman characters like Kingpin, Ox, and Man Mountain Marko could give him a hard time.

 

Occasionally a writer would remember that he was supposed to be super strong and would have him do something over the top, like the infamous Firelord beatdown, or the time he lifted a train car (roughly 30 tons) to beat some ninjas. That's the first I remember of the I'm-always-holding-back.

 

I guess it became editorial policy to show Spidey I always thought those incidents were just sloppy writing because they didn't fit with the usual use of his powers. When Marvel handbook came out I was shocked to see that he supposedly lift 10 tons, because this simply hadn't been the case up to that point. I thought they had picked a number out of thin air, but the writers took it seriously; more than that, they started having him do things that show that he's in no way limited to a wimpy 10 tons. He throws tanks (a modern main battle tank weighs in at more than 50 tons), he holds up the damaged Daily Bugle building (even if he's only lifting a small fraction of the weight, that's hundreds of tons) and now he punches out the Hulk.

 

I don't like or agree with these things, but apparently they're official for Marvel these days. As nearly as I can tell from all this and the opinions here, the current Spiderman is obviously much stronger than the Thing as well as being much faster and more agile. Am I wrong?

[Guest Darxeth]

Current Spiderman is just strong enough to hurt the Thing, but he isn't anywhere as strong as the Thing.

 

And Spiderman should only be able to lift 9-10 tons, with much effort, IMO.

[The Void]

A little sarcasm, but I'm honestly baffled by the ways they've changed him. When i was reading Spiderman regularly, he was really strong, as in he could life a car over his head. The writers would often forget that he was this strong and treat him as if he was a peak human character but when they remembered he had roughly the proportionate strength of a spider. I've never seen any strength studies on spiders, but you regularly find references to ants carrying 35-50 times their own weight. taking Pete's 165 lb listed weight, that's somewhere in the 3-5 ton range and it made sense that mildly superhuman characters like Kingpin, Ox, and Man Mountain Marko could give him a hard time.

 

Occasionally a writer would remember that he was supposed to be super strong and would have him do something over the top, like the infamous Firelord beatdown, or the time he lifted a train car (roughly 30 tons) to beat some ninjas. That's the first I remember of the I'm-always-holding-back.

 

I guess it became editorial policy to show Spidey I always thought those incidents were just sloppy writing because they didn't fit with the usual use of his powers. When Marvel handbook came out I was shocked to see that he supposedly lift 10 tons, because this simply hadn't been the case up to that point. I thought they had picked a number out of thin air, but the writers took it seriously; more than that, they started having him do things that show that he's in no way limited to a wimpy 10 tons. He throws tanks (a modern main battle tank weighs in at more than 50 tons), he holds up the damaged Daily Bugle building (even if he's only lifting a small fraction of the weight, that's hundreds of tons) and now he punches out the Hulk.

 

I don't like or agree with these things, but apparently they're official for Marvel these days. As nearly as I can tell from all this and the opinions here, the current Spiderman is obviously much stronger than the Thing as well as being much faster and more agile. Am I wrong?

 

Actually Spidey is 25-30 tons at best by Marvel. That is still good strength, but Thor and Juggernaut are waaaaay above 100 tons...That was what I was trying to point out. And I bet Thor was obviosuly holding back against Spiderman since he states he holds back against mortals and Spidey is a mortal.

 

And I don't think you're wrong. Spiderman has better strength feats than The Thing IMO..

[Guest force_echo]

I mean, it's not like he just punches out Hulk. He punches him over and over. One punch at maximum strength is like a pebble. But if you throw pebbles, and pebbles, and pebbles, and pebbles, at someone, eventually they will get hurt. Or at least, that's the reasoning behind the Hulk and Thor fights, although the Thor fight is kind of ridiculous because Thor has slightly FTL reflexes. I mean, Spidey's hella fast, sure, but light speed? Maybe it's the Spidey Sense.

[The Void]

I mean, it's not like he just punches out Hulk. He punches him over and over. One punch at maximum strength is like a pebble. But if you throw pebbles, and pebbles, and pebbles, and pebbles, at someone, eventually they will get hurt. Or at least, that's the reasoning behind the Hulk and Thor fights, although the Thor fight is kind of ridiculous because Thor has slightly FTL reflexes. I mean, Spidey's hella fast, sure, but light speed? Maybe it's the Spidey Sense.

 

Hulk barley does good against characters who are very agile like Wolverine. But if you try to completely brawl one on one with him and your under 100 tons than you would get smashed. A good example would be the Thing

[comic_book_fan]

The Thing still loses.

thats your oppinion don't make it fact the thing beat spiderman in there last fight.

[comic_book_fan]

Actually Spidey is 25-30 tons at best by Marvel. That is still good strength, but Thor and Juggernaut are waaaaay above 100 tons...That was what I was trying to point out. And I bet Thor was obviosuly holding back against Spiderman since he states he holds back against mortals and Spidey is a mortal.

 

And I don't think you're wrong. Spiderman has better strength feats than The Thing IMO..

when has spidey ever trade blows with thanos and beat down namor and blackbolt i must have missed those ben could hold up the db building one handed.

the thing is on par with namor in strength maybe a little stronger and to say ben is not over the 30 ton range is crazy he has lifted monuments waying hundreds of tons.

[C.T.]

Thing is weaker than Namor.

[comic_book_fan]

Thing is weaker than Namor.

namor has never easly beat ben one on one he usualy wins because he is faster but has never proven to be stronger and ben holds back when he is mad he has beat down wonderman hulk and thor hell he even knocked galactus down once with a little help from reed.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

I mean, it's not like he just punches out Hulk. He punches him over and over. One punch at maximum strength is like a pebble. But if you throw pebbles, and pebbles, and pebbles, and pebbles, at someone, eventually they will get hurt. Or at least, that's the reasoning behind the Hulk and Thor fights, although the Thor fight is kind of ridiculous because Thor has slightly FTL reflexes. I mean, Spidey's hella fast, sure, but light speed? Maybe it's the Spidey Sense.

 

I remember the Thor fight. IIRC that's not the actual Thor, it's the guy who eventually became Thunderstrike. He had gained Thor's power and appearange but didn't know how to use his powers yet.

 

The pebble analogy is a good one, though even then, I think you'd have to be able to be able to punch through tank armor to even irritate the Hulk.

[Guest Darxeth]

Obviously Spiderman can beat Thing. He defeated Hulk twice.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Namor is stronger then Ben when they're in the water but they've always seemed pretty even to me on dry land. He has also showed roughly equal strength with Doom and Iron Man at times.

 

Ben wrecks a building with one blow

 

casually does one handed car lifts

 

Fuses together a metal door with sheer strength

 

crushes Doom's armor

 

knocks out Wolverine with one punch

 

Here's an interesting study of the Thing's strength. I don't buy all his conclusions but the sources he cites make it clear that Ben is very close to the Hulk's level.

[comic_book_fan]

Obviously Spiderman can beat Thing. He defeated Hulk twice.

so has the thing

[The Void]

when has spidey ever trade blows with thanos and beat down namor and blackbolt i must have missed those ben could hold up the db building one handed.

the thing is on par with namor in strength maybe a little stronger and to say ben is not over the 30 ton range is crazy he has lifted monuments waying hundreds of tons.

 

The Thing never really traded blows with Thanos because Thanos always whooped him badly. At least Spiderman landed one good hit on Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet story. And how is the Thing on Namor league in strength? I never seen him lift the things Namor lifted. Namor was able to trade blows with the Sentry while the Thing couldn't even move or phase the Sentry and the Sentry was just toying around with him.

[The Void]

I remember the Thor fight. IIRC that's not the actual Thor, it's the guy who eventually became Thunderstrike. He had gained Thor's power and appearange but didn't know how to use his powers yet.

 

The pebble analogy is a good one, though even then, I think you'd have to be able to be able to punch through tank armor to even irritate the Hulk.

 

Than that explains everything. Anyways Thor has said he holds back on mortals.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Spider-Man isn't even close to being on Thor's level. I'm pretty sure the guy in that scan was Eric Masterson, and he's far weaker than Thor. He could beat a relatively calm Hulk by speed-blitzing him, but that's about it. His "Spider Agility" isn't nearly as incredible as he makes it out to be, either.

[The Void]

Spider-Man isn't even close to being on Thor's level. I'm pretty sure the guy in that scan was Eric Masterson, and he's far weaker than Thor. He could beat a relatively calm Hulk by speed-blitzing him, but that's about it. His "Spider Agility" isn't nearly as incredible as he makes it out to be, either. data:image/png;base64,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

 

This....Thanks for finally clearing that up AVP.

[C.T.]

 

namor has never easly beat ben one on one

 

Yeah he has. At least 3 times.

[comic_book_fan]

 

The Thing never really traded blows with Thanos because Thanos always whooped him badly. At least Spiderman landed one good hit on Thanos during the Infinity Gauntlet story. And how is the Thing on Namor league in strength? I never seen him lift the things Namor lifted. Namor was able to trade blows with the Sentry while the Thing couldn't even move or phase the Sentry and the Sentry was just toying around with him.

yeah he did or it might have been a thanos clone but he shoulder blocked this thanos or maybe clone to the ground and knocked him around alot.

either way if thanos made the clone you can bet it was in the same ballpark in strength.

he beat puppet master while he was using wonderman's strength and the thing was holding back alot while fighting him.

he fought thor and ladysif and dominated most of the fight thor stated in that fight he had hit ben harder then he had ever hit any mortal

and the the thing shook it off and kept coming he has trated punches with herc and has beat the hulk on several occasions .

you never saw ben lift more than 30 tons he lifted the Louvre Pyramid which weighs 180 tons easly and tossed it effortlessly

he has cought a 747 out of the air which the plane alone weighs 300 tons add the people and the velocity it was falling with

and has hit namor with a blue whale which weighs 170 tons according to wiki.

so yeah he is much stronger than spiderman.

[comic_book_fan]

Yeah he has. At least 3 times.

show me.

[The Void]

yeah he did or it might have been a thanos clone but he shoulder blocked this thanos or maybe clone to the ground and knocked him around alot.

either way if thanos made the clone you can bet it was in the same ballpark in strength.

Thanos clones are very weak...They're not even as powerful as the original Thanos, She Hulk was able to beat a Thanos clone...

he beat puppet master while he was using wonderman's strength and the thing was holding back alot while fighting him.

He was amped...

he fought thor and ladysif and dominated most of the fight thor stated in that fight he had hit ben harder then he had ever hit any mortal

That's because Ben is very durable...

and the the thing shook it off and kept coming he has trated punches with herc and has beat the hulk on several occasions .

you never saw ben lift more than 30 tons he lifted the Louvre Pyramid which weighs 180 tons easly and tossed it effortlessly

he has cought a 747 out of the air which the plane alone weighs 300 tons add the people and the velocity it was falling with

and has hit namor with a blue whale which weighs 170 tons according to wiki.

so yeah he is much stronger than spiderman.

 

Spiderman is still more agile than him...And Ben won't even be able to tag him. Spiderman has fought people as strong or stronger than Ben. And do you have a scan of Ben lifting that pyramid?

[C.T.]

 

show me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[comic_book_fan]

 

 

 

 

i don't know about the other 2 because i don't have the issues but the one in the middle that didn't beat ben it hurt and the others jumped in but he was not out.

[comic_book_fan]

Thanos clones are very weak...They're not even as powerful as the original Thanos, She Hulk was able to beat a Thanos clone...

 

He was amped...

 

That's because Ben is very durable...

 

 

Spiderman is still more agile than him...And Ben won't even be able to tag him. Spiderman has fought people as strong or stronger than Ben. And do you have a scan of Ben lifting that pyramid?

i have the issue where he beats wonderman controled by puppet master and saw no indication of ben being amped.

i don't have the issue but look up any thing respect thread and they have him throwing the glass pyramid.

i would agree with you that ben not being able to tag spidey tag spidey if he hadn't done it recently within the last 2 years.

the thing is as fast as he was as ben grim he isn't slow nothing to spidey in speed but he is alot faster than he looks.

ben could hit him with a thunderclap and knock him out .