Iron man Extremis vs Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)

[Guest sirmethos]

""According to Jaime, the Scarab has a number of 'options' beyond those listed below, some of which are apparently capable of destroying a city."

Implies that the top level of Jamie's powers can destroy a city, and even that's theoritical."

 

"Jaime alludes to weapons which may be powerful enough to harm even the Spectre, one of DC's most powerful characters, claiming that some of the weapons were of W.M.D. caliber"

 

"The Scarab's own estimation and what it actually does are two different things. The blasts are not strong enough to break through GL rings, they naturally do. The nature of the blast bypasses the ring's energy field."

 

the Estimate is that it can develop counter-measures for Spectre. the fact that it can blast through the shield of a GL is fact. and no, it doesn't bypass them, it blasts through.

 

"He can drain Jamie's energy blasts. He took on Terrax and the Silver surfer and thor with this ability."

 

when did Iron Man suddenly become able to drain/absorb magical energy?

 

]"I'd like to see Jamie ripping through Galactus' shields. Galactus, in case you don't know, is one of the most powerful beings in the MU, his shields are stronger than GL's."

 

i'm well aware of who Galactus is, and what his powers are. as for his shields being more powerful than a GL's. that depends on how recently he has fed. in case of a starving Galactus, the one we usually see in the comics attacking earth, then no a GL's shield is more powerful, if we're talking a fully fed Galactus, then he'd eat a GL for breakfast. with a Starving Galactus, Jamie would blasts through his shields quite easily.

 

 

and my point from my last post still stands:

 

"the armor is made of specific metals, and energy shields at specific frequences. the Scarab adapts and it's attacks are now specifically designed Against those metals and frequencies." - a 'weakness' in Iron man that the Scarab can adapt to

[Guest force_echo]

You obviously have no idea what the scarab is even capable of. Iron Man would lose, period. It wouldn't be a quick fight, but it certainly wouldn't be a long fight.

Do YOU have any idea what Iron Man is capable of? His shields, at 2% can tank a nuclear weapon, his repulsors, at full power, can fire in the high petawatt region, even at low power levels they are capable to blasting holes through mountains, the armor itself can withstand 0 Kelvin, and Sun temperatures and is completly immune to kinetic and thermal impact, he has Spider-Sense, invisibility, magnetism, he outran a black hole using his thrusters, he can absorb almost any energy and use it to bolster his systems to ridiculous levels, allowing him to throw a 16,000 ton nuclear reactor, he has over 20 different offensive armaments, all classified by SHIELD as "Weapons of Mass Destruction", his sensors and AI systems are the smartest in the world, and the healing factor of his suit is comparable to Wolverine. YOU don't know who Iron Man is.

[Guest force_echo]

""According to Jaime, the Scarab has a number of 'options' beyond those listed below, some of which are apparently capable of destroying a city."

Implies that the top level of Jamie's powers can destroy a city, and even that's theoritical."

 

"Jaime alludes to weapons which may be powerful enough to harm even the Spectre, one of DC's most powerful characters, claiming that some of the weapons were of W.M.D. caliber"

 

"The Scarab's own estimation and what it actually does are two different things. The blasts are not strong enough to break through GL rings, they naturally do. The nature of the blast bypasses the ring's energy field."

 

the Estimate is that it can develop counter-measures for Spectre. the fact that it can blast through the shield of a GL is fact. and no, it doesn't bypass them, it blasts through.

 

"He can drain Jamie's energy blasts. He took on Terrax and the Silver surfer and thor with this ability."

 

when did Iron Man suddenly become able to drain/absorb magical energy?

 

]"I'd like to see Jamie ripping through Galactus' shields. Galactus, in case you don't know, is one of the most powerful beings in the MU, his shields are stronger than GL's."

 

i'm well aware of who Galactus is, and what his powers are. as for his shields being more powerful than a GL's. that depends on how recently he has fed. in case of a starving Galactus, the one we usually see in the comics attacking earth, then no a GL's shield is more powerful, if we're talking a fully fed Galactus, then he'd eat a GL for breakfast. with a Starving Galactus, Jamie would blasts through his shields quite easily.

 

 

and my point from my last post still stands:

 

"the armor is made of specific metals, and energy shields at specific frequences. the Scarab adapts and it's attacks are now specifically designed Against those metals and frequencies." - a 'weakness' in Iron man that the Scarab can adapt to

No, they don't, his blasts bypass GL rings, they don't blast through. Its under antagonist adaptation in the wiki, which means it dosen't overpower either the Spectre or the GL, it adapts itself, a HUGE difference.

 

Iron Man's energy shield is generic, it dosen't have a specific frequency. The material of the suit is composed of many layers of metal, and metal dosen't react significantly to one energy type or the other, its all about the joules, how much power you put into it.

 

BB's energy blasts aren't magical in nature, but Iron Man can absorb magical energy nevertheless, he has been shown to absorb Thor's lightning attack, which is magical in nature.

[Guest sirmethos]

No, they don't, his blasts bypass GL rings, they don't blast through. Its under antagonist adaptation in the wiki, which means it dosen't overpower either the Spectre or the GL, it adapts itself, a HUGE difference.

 

Iron Man's energy shield is generic, it dosen't have a specific frequency. The material of the suit is composed of many layers of metal, and metal dosen't react significantly to one energy type or the other, its all about the joules, how much power you put into it.

 

BB's energy blasts aren't magical in nature, but Iron Man can absorb magical energy nevertheless, he has been shown to absorb Thor's lightning attack, which is magical in nature.

 

hmm.. i thought i already replied to this...

 

 

Bypassing would mean hitting the GL directly without being bothered by the shields. that is not what he does, he actually blasted Through the shields, destroying them.

 

yes, BB's energy blasts are magical in nature, and no, Iron Man cannot absorb magical energy. and again no, Thors lightning are not magical in nature, they are electrical in nature. and even Extremis was overpowered by Thors lightning once Thor stopped holding back.

[Guest Dark Ranger X]

No, they don't, his blasts bypass GL rings, they don't blast through. Its under antagonist adaptation in the wiki, which means it dosen't overpower either the Spectre or the GL, it adapts itself, a HUGE difference.

 

Iron Man's energy shield is generic, it dosen't have a specific frequency. The material of the suit is composed of many layers of metal, and metal dosen't react significantly to one energy type or the other, its all about the joules, how much power you put into it.

 

BB's energy blasts aren't magical in nature, but Iron Man can absorb magical energy nevertheless, he has been shown to absorb Thor's lightning attack, which is magical in nature.

 

Just to add - the Scarabs were created by a race of aliens known as The Reach, a race that hated the Guardians of the Universe and everything they stood for. This is why Jaime was able to go toe to toe with Guy Gardner with little experience, and this is also the reason the fight even began; Guy's power ring picked up on the fact that Jaime had a scarab, and saw it as a threat due to the Reach connection.

 

Look, clearly you're not going to be persuaded any different due to your unrequited love of Iron Man, so I'll just say this. If you can honestly sit there and think that Iron Man could beat an experienced Green Lantern, then by all means, live in your little world of delusion. Otherwise, even a Marvel fanatic like yourself would have to wonder "Hey, if this dude has hardware that is anti-Green Lantern, and was able to match it with Guy Gardner early in his hero career, then maybe..."

[Guest force_echo]

hmm.. i thought i already replied to this...

 

 

Bypassing would mean hitting the GL directly without being bothered by the shields. that is not what he does, he actually blasted Through the shields, destroying them.

 

yes, BB's energy blasts are magical in nature, and no, Iron Man cannot absorb magical energy. and again no, Thors lightning are not magical in nature, they are electrical in nature. and even Extremis was overpowered by Thors lightning once Thor stopped holding back.

No, they are really not, scarabs were designed to bypass GL energy shields, GLs were the sworn enemy of The Reach, if you look up the damn feat its under antagonist adaption in the wiki, if only you weren't so freaking stupid you would realize that antagonist adaption means it ADAPTS TO THE ENEMY (which is the antagonist). The blasts WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BREACH A GL's energy shield, why can you not get this through your head?

 

No, they are not mystical in nature, the Scarab dosen't percieve magical energies, the only thing it can do is create a field that disrupts it.

 

Yes, Thor's lightning is mystical in nature, it is magic, and yes Iron Man can absorb magical energy, he can even absorb cosmic energy. Yes, I know this, but that was because the sheer power of the attack, not the mystical nature.

[kainboa]

"Antagonist Adaptation: The armor can tailor its blasts for use against specific opponents (e.g., Kryptonite radiation against a Kryptonian, suppression blast against a mob). The blasts can penetrate a Green Lantern ring's shield. The armor can call up anti-magic effects against magical opponents. By the Scarab's own estimation, it can even develop countermeasures that can take on the Spectre."

 

This is what it says on the Dc - Wiki, copy and pasted directly.

 

Now from what I can read, it doesn't say that it will make a blast that can bypass the shield from a Green Lantern, but that it can Penetrate.

Penetrate means that it overpowers the shield in some fashion, bypass means that it ignores the shield, that is not what it can do.

 

Also in the same paragraph, it states that the Blue Beetle can develop countermeasures that could do battle with the Spectre.

Quite frankly, if the Blue Beetle can battle the Spectre on relatively even terms, it seems logical that it can overpower the Green Lantern shield

 

Links to the blue beetle wiki on both Dc-wikia and the normal wikipedia

Links to penetrate and bypass on dictionary.com

 

(http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Beetle_Scarab)

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Beetle_%28Jaime_Reyes%29)

(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/penetrate) (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bypass)

[Guest force_echo]

Then why would they put it in the subtitle for ANATAGONIST ADAPTATION. If it just plain blasted through the GL shield they would list that as a feat under the energy blast itself. Scarab blasts are specifically tailored to go through GL fields, they were DESIGNED to combat GL Corps members in the first place! That's the whole point of Scarabs, they kill Green Lanterns, so obviously their energy blasts would be designed to penetrate a GL ring's energy shield! Its called using goddamn common sense.

[Guest sirmethos]

No, they are really not, scarabs were designed to bypass GL energy shields, GLs were the sworn enemy of The Reach, if you look up the damn feat its under antagonist adaption in the wiki, if only you weren't so freaking stupid you would realize that antagonist adaption means it ADAPTS TO THE ENEMY (which is the antagonist). The blasts WERE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO BREACH A GL's energy shield, why can you not get this through your head?

 

No, they are not mystical in nature, the Scarab dosen't percieve magical energies, the only thing it can do is create a field that disrupts it.

 

Yes, Thor's lightning is mystical in nature, it is magic, and yes Iron Man can absorb magical energy, he can even absorb cosmic energy. Yes, I know this, but that was because the sheer power of the attack, not the mystical nature.

 

 

"It can perceive magic, see how a magical effect can be dispelled, and see through magical concealment." - dc.wikia

 

 

"Mjolnir grants Thor the ability to command the powers of the storm, causing rain, thunder and lightning although he cannot control artificial weather. He can create giant raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes, blizzards, tidal waves, exploding volcanoes, earthquakes and torrential rains across entire planets at a moment's notice. " marvel.com

 

Thors lightning is not magical in nature, it is the same as any other lightning. ie. electrical.

 

they are Created by magic, that much is true, but once they appear, they are purely electrical in nature.

 

 

also, you seem to be contradicting yourself. you've said yourself that Iron Man has no defense against magic. and now you're claiming he does.

[Guest Dark Ranger X]

"It can perceive magic, see how a magical effect can be dispelled, and see through magical concealment." - dc.wikia

 

 

"Mjolnir grants Thor the ability to command the powers of the storm, causing rain, thunder and lightning although he cannot control artificial weather. He can create giant raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes, blizzards, tidal waves, exploding volcanoes, earthquakes and torrential rains across entire planets at a moment's notice. " marvel.com

 

Thors lightning is not magical in nature, it is the same as any other lightning. ie. electrical.

 

they are Created by magic, that much is true, but once they appear, they are purely electrical in nature.

 

 

also, you seem to be contradicting yourself. you've said yourself that Iron Man has no defense against magic. and now you're claiming he does.

 

Sirmethos, you're banging your head against a brick wall. He's not going to budge. He simply refuses to take off his red and yellow tinted glasses.

[kainboa]

Then why would they put it in the subtitle for ANATAGONIST ADAPTATION. If it just plain blasted through the GL shield they would list that as a feat under the energy blast itself. Scarab blasts are specifically tailored to go through GL fields, they were DESIGNED to combat GL Corps members in the first place! That's the whole point of Scarabs, they kill Green Lanterns, so obviously their energy blasts would be designed to penetrate a GL ring's energy shield! Its called using goddamn common sense.

 

Lol, you're asking me to use common sense, when in every match with Iron-man you seem to throw away just that.

 

As for the energy blast, it could be under antagonist adaptation because his normal energy blasts aren't powerful enough to go through a GL shield and the scarab needs to adapt to that particular power level, or it could be because he needs to use a different type of energy.

 

There are a multitude of reasons for the blast to be under antagonist adaptation.

 

As a last thing, the scarab was Not created to combat the Green lanterns. The scarabs were/are a hivemind, which were in a sector under the reach' control, they use the scarabs to infiltrate and take over planets not currently under their control.

The fact that the scarab can battle the green lanterns is just a lucky side thing for the reach.

[Guest force_echo]

"It can perceive magic, see how a magical effect can be dispelled, and see through magical concealment." - dc.wikia

 

 

"Mjolnir grants Thor the ability to command the powers of the storm, causing rain, thunder and lightning although he cannot control artificial weather. He can create giant raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes, blizzards, tidal waves, exploding volcanoes, earthquakes and torrential rains across entire planets at a moment's notice. " marvel.com

 

Thors lightning is not magical in nature, it is the same as any other lightning. ie. electrical.

 

they are Created by magic, that much is true, but once they appear, they are purely electrical in nature.

 

 

also, you seem to be contradicting yourself. you've said yourself that Iron Man has no defense against magic. and now you're claiming he does.

Where in that quote does it say that its energy blasts are magical in nature? Where? It can detect it, dispell magic, and see through magic invisibility, this quote does effect your point WHATSOEVER.

 

Well ok then, I thought the lightning bolts were magical in nature, guess I was wrong. But it still dosen't matter because BB's bolts don't have magical powers.

[Guest force_echo]

As for the energy blast, it could be under antagonist adaptation because his normal energy blasts aren't powerful enough to go through a GL shield

Exactly my point.

 

"The Reach are a civilization of alien conquerors who take over planets for profit. Millennia ago, they came into conflict with the Green Lantern Corps"

 

"As Jaime's experience with the Scarab's armor has developed, the Scarab has taken a more aggressive approach against the Lanterns, urging Jaime to kill them. The Green Lantern rings, for their part, fear the Scarab, responding in different ways depending on their wielders"

 

True, they weren't specifically designed to kill GLs, but its a huge part of their nature, and The Reach have adapted them so.

[Guest sirmethos]

Where in that quote does it say that its energy blasts are magical in nature? Where? It can detect it, dispell magic, and see through magic invisibility, this quote does effect your point WHATSOEVER.

 

Well ok then, I thought the lightning bolts were magical in nature, guess I was wrong. But it still dosen't matter because BB's bolts don't have magical powers.

 

the quote i made "It can perceive magic, see how a magical effect can be dispelled, and see through magical concealment." was a direct response to a statement made by you "the Scarab dosen't percieve magical energies"

 

as for the magical nature. without any 'boosts', Blue Beetle's blasts are city destroyers at best, as you said yourself. however, when going up against opponents that are more powerful, like the GL, or Iron Man in this case. the Scarab uses magic to enhance the power of his blasts. which is how he blasted through the energy shield of a GL.

 

 

also, with Bleed Diving, Iron Man wouldn't just be fighting Blue Beetle, but somewhere between 2 and 10 identical versions of him, each with the same amount of power.

 

 

bottom line: Iron Man doesn't have a chance of winning.

 

 

he is unable to produce enough for to penetrate the energy shields of the Scarab, while Jamie can easily blasts through Iron Mans defenses.

[Guest force_echo]

the quote i made "It can perceive magic, see how a magical effect can be dispelled, and see through magical concealment." was a direct response to a statement made by you "the Scarab dosen't percieve magical energies"

 

That was a typo, what I meant to say was that BB's blasts are not mystical in nature, this was in response to your "since when can Iron Man absorb magical blasts". So yes, Iron Man can absorb BB's blasts pretty easily, no damage here.

 

as for the magical nature. without any 'boosts', Blue Beetle's blasts are city destroyers at best, as you said yourself. however, when going up against opponents that are more powerful, like the GL, or Iron Man in this case. the Scarab uses magic to enhance the power of his blasts. which is how he blasted through the energy shield of a GL.

 

So? What if they're city destroyers? Nukes are city destroyers and Iron Man tanks those even without his energy shield. Besides, the validity of even this is questioned. You're putting words in my mouth, I never said that, what I said was, it hints at the highest level attacks being able to destroy a city. Even this was not only hypothetical, but not even confirmed by anyone other than BB himself.

 

also, with Bleed Diving, Iron Man wouldn't just be fighting Blue Beetle, but somewhere between 2 and 10 identical versions of him, each with the same amount of power.

 

Iron Man is one of the best batttle strategists and most experienced heroes in the MU, I'm pretty sure he can deal with 1 or 2 extra BBs. At most, he only has enough energy for 3 dives, not the 10 you're trying to get across, and then his energy would be greatly depleted, making an even easier target for Iron Man.

 

bottom line: Iron Man doesn't have a chance of winning.

 

Yet the evidence says otherwise.

 

he is unable to produce enough for to penetrate the energy shields of the Scarab, while Jamie can easily blasts through Iron Mans defenses.

 

Iron Man, with repulsors at low power, can blow holes through mountains, at higher powers, the yeild is in the petrawatt region. In contrast, nuclear reactor yeilds are measured in megawatts/gigawatts. Petrawatts is one quadrillion watts and petrawatts are used to measure the total energy of all of the Sun's rays energy on The Earth. BB cannot get through Iron Man's energy shields however, as it is a generic sheild is not made up of the "specific frequencies" you're trying to get across.

Oh, and we haven't even to got the physical portions. Have I mentioned that Iron Man is VASTLY stronger than BB. He is also faster (both in reflexes and in speed), more agile, smarter, more durable, and more experienced?

 

Its adaptation is also greatly hindered, BB dosen't know jack sh*t about Iron Man or his capabilities, and cannot scan Iron Man due to the Magnetic sheilding Iron Man posseses. So now BB is essentially flying blind, and without its greatest asset.

[Hugo Fowl]

Sirmethos, you're banging your head against a brick wall. He's not going to budge. He simply refuses to take off his red and yellow tinted glasses.

 

LMAO

[Guest sirmethos]

"That was a typo, what I meant to say was that BB's blasts are not mystical in nature, this was in response to your "since when can Iron Man absorb magical blasts". So yes, Iron Man can absorb BB's blasts pretty easily, no damage here."

 

magical or not, BB's blasts would still overpower Iron Mans capabilities, just like he was overpowered by Thors lightning. a blast that can smash through a GL's energy shield is more than powerful enough to smash right through Iron Man.

 

 

"So? What if they're city destroyers? Nukes are city destroyers and Iron Man tanks those even without his energy shield. Besides, the validity of even this is questioned. You're putting words in my mouth, I never said that, what I said was, it hints at the highest level attacks being able to destroy a city. Even this was not only hypothetical, but not even confirmed by anyone other than BB himself."

 

what's your point? i said that his blasts "without any kinds of boosts" are at best city destroyers. but by boosting the energy of his blasts through magic, he has smashed through a GL's energy shields.

 

"Iron Man is one of the best batttle strategists and most experienced heroes in the MU, I'm pretty sure he can deal with 1 or 2 extra BBs. At most, he only has enough energy for 3 dives, not the 10 you're trying to get across, and then his energy would be greatly depleted, making an even easier target for Iron Man."

 

BB can absorb energy, granted he wouldn't be able to absorb all the energy in a blast from IM, but enough to restore his own energy fairly quickly, as for the energy he can Not absorb, well, that's what his energy sheilds are for.

 

 

"Yet the evidence says otherwise."

 

so far you have yet to present any evidence showing that Iron Man is capable of damaging the Blue Beetle, just as you have yet to present any evidence that shows him capable of resisting a full powered blast from BB(like the one capable of smashing through a GL's shields). so no, so far the evidence does not say otherwise.

 

"Iron Man, with repulsors at low power, can blow holes through mountains, at higher powers, the yeild is in the petrawatt region. In contrast, nuclear reactor yeilds are measured in megawatts/gigawatts. Petrawatts is one quadrillion watts and petrawatts are used to measure the total energy of all of the Sun's rays energy on The Earth. BB cannot get through Iron Man's energy shields however, as it is a generic sheild is not made up of the "specific frequencies" you're trying to get across."

 

BB can blast through IM's shields by sheer power, and the energy blasts from the Sinetro Corps(which BB's energy shields can tank), are powerful enough to turn a planet into rubbles. Iron Man is powerful, there's no doubt about that, he just doesn't measure up in this case.

 

"Oh, and we haven't even to got the physical portions. Have I mentioned that Iron Man is VASTLY stronger than BB. He is also faster (both in reflexes and in speed), more agile, smarter, more durable, and more experienced?"

 

the physical portions are pretty much irrelevant in this fight, since none of the fighters would have even the slightest chance of getting through eachothers energy shields by purely physical means.

 

 

"Its adaptation is also greatly hindered, BB dosen't know jack sh*t about Iron Man or his capabilities, and cannot scan Iron Man due to the Magnetic sheilding Iron Man posseses. So now BB is essentially flying blind, and without its greatest asset. "

 

no, it's adaption works just fine as soon as it has scanned Iron Man, just like it scans any other opponent. Iron Man however is flying blind, since the Scarab can conceal itself from 21st century technology.

[Guest force_echo]

magical or not, BB's blasts would still overpower Iron Mans capabilities, just like he was overpowered by Thors lightning. a blast that can smash through a GL's energy shield is more than powerful enough to smash right through Iron Man.

 

 

"So? What if they're city destroyers? Nukes are city destroyers and Iron Man tanks those even without his energy shield. Besides, the validity of even this is questioned. You're putting words in my mouth, I never said that, what I said was, it hints at the highest level attacks being able to destroy a city. Even this was not only hypothetical, but not even confirmed by anyone other than BB himself."

 

what's your point? i said that his blasts "without any kinds of boosts" are at best city destroyers. but by boosting the energy of his blasts through magic, he has smashed through a GL's energy shields.

 

"Iron Man is one of the best batttle strategists and most experienced heroes in the MU, I'm pretty sure he can deal with 1 or 2 extra BBs. At most, he only has enough energy for 3 dives, not the 10 you're trying to get across, and then his energy would be greatly depleted, making an even easier target for Iron Man."

 

BB can absorb energy, granted he wouldn't be able to absorb all the energy in a blast from IM, but enough to restore his own energy fairly quickly, as for the energy he can Not absorb, well, that's what his energy sheilds are for.

 

 

"Yet the evidence says otherwise."

 

so far you have yet to present any evidence showing that Iron Man is capable of damaging the Blue Beetle, just as you have yet to present any evidence that shows him capable of resisting a full powered blast from BB(like the one capable of smashing through a GL's shields). so no, so far the evidence does not say otherwise.

 

"Iron Man, with repulsors at low power, can blow holes through mountains, at higher powers, the yeild is in the petrawatt region. In contrast, nuclear reactor yeilds are measured in megawatts/gigawatts. Petrawatts is one quadrillion watts and petrawatts are used to measure the total energy of all of the Sun's rays energy on The Earth. BB cannot get through Iron Man's energy shields however, as it is a generic sheild is not made up of the "specific frequencies" you're trying to get across."

 

BB can blast through IM's shields by sheer power, and the energy blasts from the Sinetro Corps(which BB's energy shields can tank), are powerful enough to turn a planet into rubbles. Iron Man is powerful, there's no doubt about that, he just doesn't measure up in this case.

 

"Oh, and we haven't even to got the physical portions. Have I mentioned that Iron Man is VASTLY stronger than BB. He is also faster (both in reflexes and in speed), more agile, smarter, more durable, and more experienced?"

 

the physical portions are pretty much irrelevant in this fight, since none of the fighters would have even the slightest chance of getting through eachothers energy shields by purely physical means.

 

 

"Its adaptation is also greatly hindered, BB dosen't know jack sh*t about Iron Man or his capabilities, and cannot scan Iron Man due to the Magnetic sheilding Iron Man posseses. So now BB is essentially flying blind, and without its greatest asset. "

 

no, it's adaption works just fine as soon as it has scanned Iron Man, just like it scans any other opponent. Iron Man however is flying blind, since the Scarab can conceal itself from 21st century technology.

Jesus Christ. This is getting ridiculous. Why can your mind not comprehend that BB's blasts were specifically tailored to blow past a GL shield? Are you retarded? Dyslexia? What is it bud, cause this is getting old. I find it funny that you base your entire argument on something I have completly disproved. BB's blasts are completly pathetic compared to Iron Mans repulsors, which can put out exponents of nuclear weapons.

 

No, its adaption can't work without a scan if it is not familiar with its target. BB's scans can be blocked by a magnetic field. Iron Man has a magnetic field. I didn't lose you did I? Therefore, because Iron Man has a magnetic field, BB's scans will not work. If it dosen't know what to adapt to, it can't adapt.

 

No, physical traits are not irrelevant, especially considering Iron Man can close the distance between him and BB in seconds and pound the sh*t out of him.

 

There is no evidence that he can boost his blasts by magic, now you're just making shit up, which is getting real annoying. You do this so you're not contradicting yourself by saying the high end of his powers can bust cities but yet, he can break through a GL shield. So you make up abilities that would explain your false ideas. I imagine you do this in every argument you are losing, just like you completly block out the fact that BB didn't overpower GL's shields by sheer power.

 

BB cannot absorb energy at all, the best feat of absorbing it has is absorbing a blast that would land a human in a hospital. Pathetic. Oh, it can also absorb magic, too bad Iron Man dosen't use magic. Iron Man can absorb completly blasts from beings like Terrax and Silver Surfer, and return them with intrest.

[Guest sirmethos]

"Jesus Christ. This is getting ridiculous. Why can your mind not comprehend that BB's blasts were specifically tailored to blow past a GL shield? Are you retarded? Dyslexia? What is it bud, cause this is getting old. I find it funny that you base your entire argument on something I have completly disproved. BB's blasts are completly pathetic compared to Iron Mans repulsors, which can put out exponents of nuclear weapons."

 

no, BB's blasts were not "specifically tailored to blow past a GL shield", only in terms of power. if you actually tried reading the comics with BB you would know that.

 

"No, its adaption can't work without a scan if it is not familiar with its target. BB's scans can be blocked by a magnetic field. Iron Man has a magnetic field. I didn't lose you did I? Therefore, because Iron Man has a magnetic field, BB's scans will not work. If it dosen't know what to adapt to, it can't adapt."

 

it's scans are magical in nature, just like the Scarab itself. and by your own words, Iron Man has no defense against that. hence, it can scan him just fine, and will adapt as needed.

 

"No, physical traits are not irrelevant, especially considering Iron Man can close the distance between him and BB in seconds and pound the sh*t out of him."

 

to, as you put it, "punch the sh*t out of him", Iron Man would need to punch through BB's energy shields, which he is incapable of doing. hence, physical traits are irrelevant in this fight.

 

"There is no evidence that he can boost his blasts by magic, now you're just making shit up, which is getting real annoying. You do this so you're not contradicting yourself by saying the high end of his powers can bust cities but yet, he can break through a GL shield. So you make up abilities that would explain your false ideas. I imagine you do this in every argument you are losing, just like you completly block out the fact that BB didn't overpower GL's shields by sheer power."

 

have you ever actually read any comics with BB? especially any of those where he fights high-powered opponents? i don't have to make anything up. the Scarabs magical nature, and it's use of magic in its adaptation is a fact. I have said that the high end of his non-enhanced blasts, are city-destroyers at best, yes. his breaking through the shield of a GL is a fact. just like the fact that he actually destroyed those shields with his blast, and not 'bypassed' them, as you try to claim. i'll say again, go read some of the comics.

 

 

"BB cannot absorb energy at all, the best feat of absorbing it has is absorbing a blast that would land a human in a hospital. Pathetic. Oh, it can also absorb magic, too bad Iron Man dosen't use magic. Iron Man can absorb completly blasts from beings like Terrax and Silver Surfer, and return them with intrest."

 

yes, BB can absorb energy, and yes he can only, from one blast, absorb a small fraction of the energy, the amount it would take to kill a normal human. i never said otherwise. however BB's energy shield protects him from the remaining energy of the blast. and as long as Iron Man keeps blasting him, he can keep absorbing small amounts of energy.

 

if i threw a handful of quarters at you, you wouldn't be able to catch more than a few of them. but if i kept throwing handfuls of quarters at you, and you keep catching a few every time, then you'll have quite a bit, very fast.

 

 

as a final note for now, i think it's highly amusing that you seem to be following the trend i've seen from some of the fanboys around here, resorting to insults when there are no logical arguments.

 

as i do with every debate i'm in, i remain objective and rely on logic and facts. if you can't handle that, and have to fall back on insults and profanity to support your arguments, then maybe debating is not your thing.

[Guest force_echo]

"Jesus Christ. This is getting ridiculous. Why can your mind not comprehend that BB's blasts were specifically tailored to blow past a GL shield? Are you retarded? Dyslexia? What is it bud, cause this is getting old. I find it funny that you base your entire argument on something I have completly disproved. BB's blasts are completly pathetic compared to Iron Mans repulsors, which can put out exponents of nuclear weapons."

 

no, BB's blasts were not "specifically tailored to blow past a GL shield", only in terms of power. if you actually tried reading the comics with BB you would know that.

 

"No, its adaption can't work without a scan if it is not familiar with its target. BB's scans can be blocked by a magnetic field. Iron Man has a magnetic field. I didn't lose you did I? Therefore, because Iron Man has a magnetic field, BB's scans will not work. If it dosen't know what to adapt to, it can't adapt."

 

it's scans are magical in nature, just like the Scarab itself. and by your own words, Iron Man has no defense against that. hence, it can scan him just fine, and will adapt as needed.

 

"No, physical traits are not irrelevant, especially considering Iron Man can close the distance between him and BB in seconds and pound the sh*t out of him."

 

to, as you put it, "punch the sh*t out of him", Iron Man would need to punch through BB's energy shields, which he is incapable of doing. hence, physical traits are irrelevant in this fight.

 

"There is no evidence that he can boost his blasts by magic, now you're just making shit up, which is getting real annoying. You do this so you're not contradicting yourself by saying the high end of his powers can bust cities but yet, he can break through a GL shield. So you make up abilities that would explain your false ideas. I imagine you do this in every argument you are losing, just like you completly block out the fact that BB didn't overpower GL's shields by sheer power."

 

have you ever actually read any comics with BB? especially any of those where he fights high-powered opponents? i don't have to make anything up. the Scarabs magical nature, and it's use of magic in its adaptation is a fact. I have said that the high end of his non-enhanced blasts, are city-destroyers at best, yes. his breaking through the shield of a GL is a fact. just like the fact that he actually destroyed those shields with his blast, and not 'bypassed' them, as you try to claim. i'll say again, go read some of the comics.

 

 

"BB cannot absorb energy at all, the best feat of absorbing it has is absorbing a blast that would land a human in a hospital. Pathetic. Oh, it can also absorb magic, too bad Iron Man dosen't use magic. Iron Man can absorb completly blasts from beings like Terrax and Silver Surfer, and return them with intrest."

 

yes, BB can absorb energy, and yes he can only, from one blast, absorb a small fraction of the energy, the amount it would take to kill a normal human. i never said otherwise. however BB's energy shield protects him from the remaining energy of the blast. and as long as Iron Man keeps blasting him, he can keep absorbing small amounts of energy.

 

if i threw a handful of quarters at you, you wouldn't be able to catch more than a few of them. but if i kept throwing handfuls of quarters at you, and you keep catching a few every time, then you'll have quite a bit, very fast.

 

 

as a final note for now, i think it's highly amusing that you seem to be following the trend i've seen from some of the fanboys around here, resorting to insults when there are no logical arguments.

 

as i do with every debate i'm in, i remain objective and rely on logic and facts. if you can't handle that, and have to fall back on insults and profanity to support your arguments, then maybe debating is not your thing.

I'm gonna explain this one more time, and if you choose to ignore it yet again, God help me. The feat for breaking a GL's shield was under antagonist adaption, I'm not saying he bypasses the shield, he broke through it, but a Scarab's energy blasts are specifically designed to break through a GL's shields. If you read BB's comics, you would know The Reach and the GL are dire enemies, so when designing the Scarab, they made the blasts being able to go through a shield, it makes sense for people with half a brain. Its like using a gun to kill a person in a fistfight, sure you killed the person, but you didn't do it unaided, so thus the feat is moot. Besides, it seems like you're basing you're entire argument off of this feat, which has astonishing evidence to disrepute it.

 

Yes you are making up abilities, "While the Scarab is aware of magic, it doesn't understand it. It's able to perceive, absorb, and disrupt magical energies, but little else", The scarab does not use magic in its blasts as you claim, on the contrary, its actually confused by magic, and can't do anything but detect, absorb, and disrupt them.

 

You're logic makes absolutely no sense. I'm not talking about BB's energy field, im saying that he cannot absorb hardly any energy. Iron Man, on the other hand, will never run out of energy in this fight, and use BB's blasts to power his armor into even higher levels, so this even MORE a stomp than it would be without Iron Man's absorbtion ability. I'm not using absorbtion as a defensive ability, in case you haven't noticed, Iron Man has energy shields too, I'm saying that Iron Man is functionally unbeatable because he can just absorb everything BB throws at him and now, he's EVEN STRONGER, his sheilds are stronger, his repulsors, strength, speed, all stronger, and he can get there EXPONENTIALLY faster than BB's comparatively shitty energy absorption.

 

Again, you're making stuff up, its scans are not only not magical in nature, BB cannot scan magical creatures, "The Scarab can't analyse certain mystical creatures, and so is unable to develop countermeasures for them."

 

Here you are again, making stuff up. You don't need to punch through an energy sheild, its an ENERGY shield, it blocks ENERGY attacks. Otherwise Iron Man would never be hurt by physical attacks and could beat the sh*t out of Hulk with both hands tied behind his back.

 

I think you've been following the trends of people who can't admit they lost. You make up feats and abilities when you can't find any, you also try ignoring other people's arguments even when they have an irrefutable amount of logic on their side. Instead of debating with logic, you debate likw a whiny b*tch who can't understand when they've lost. It's annoying quite frankly, and makes you somewhat of a Skirmisher Jr. I don't think debating is you're thing, you could try politics though, you'd fit in nice there.

[Guest force_echo]

Oh, I'll use your analogy.

 

the quarters. Ok the handful of quarters is BB, now I'm going to use the same analogy to describe Iron Man's absorbtion.

 

BB throws quarters at Iron Man, Iron Man catches ALL quarters and turns them into half dollars. Then Iron Man uses some quarters to repair himself and fling all the other quarters at BB. BB catches like 3, which he can't do anything with, and gets brained by the other 500 quarters.

[Guest sirmethos]

"Yes you are making up abilities, "While the Scarab is aware of magic, it doesn't understand it. It's able to perceive, absorb, and disrupt magical energies, but little else", The scarab does not use magic in its blasts as you claim, on the contrary, its actually confused by magic, and can't do anything but detect, absorb, and disrupt them. "

 

when have i ever claimed that the Scarab understands magic? all i have said is that it uses Magical Energy, which is a fact.

 

"Again, you're making stuff up, its scans are not only not magical in nature, BB cannot scan magical creatures, "The Scarab can't analyse certain mystical creatures, and so is unable to develop countermeasures for them." "

 

yes, its scans are magical in nature. that's why it can't analyse "certain mystical creatures", because they can either counter, or resist the magic of the scans. you should have included the rest of the quote, which gives credit to my point about it's attacks being able to reach higher levels than its baseline "When faced with certain other mystical entities, such as the Spectre, the Scarab panics, offering Jaime ever more powerful weapons to take them on."

 

"You're logic makes absolutely no sense. I'm not talking about BB's energy field, im saying that he cannot absorb hardly any energy. Iron Man, on the other hand, will never run out of energy in this fight, and use BB's blasts to power his armor into even higher levels, so this even MORE a stomp than it would be without Iron Man's absorbtion ability. I'm not using absorbtion as a defensive ability, in case you haven't noticed, Iron Man has energy shields too, I'm saying that Iron Man is functionally unbeatable because he can just absorb everything BB throws at him and now, he's EVEN STRONGER, his sheilds are stronger, his repulsors, strength, speed, all stronger, and he can get there EXPONENTIALLY faster than BB's comparatively shitty energy absorption. "

 

 

""Oh, I'll use your analogy.

 

the quarters. Ok the handful of quarters is BB, now I'm going to use the same analogy to describe Iron Man's absorbtion.

 

BB throws quarters at Iron Man, Iron Man catches ALL quarters and turns them into half dollars. Then Iron Man uses some quarters to repair himself and fling all the other quarters at BB. BB catches like 3, which he can't do anything with, and gets brained by the other 500 quarters."

 

my logic makes perfect sense. to continue with the quarter analogy, and use Your version. when BB catches the 3 quarters, he can use them to augment the store of 'money' that powers the Scarab, while the rest of the quarters(the other 500) bounce off against his energy shield.

 

 

"Here you are again, making stuff up. You don't need to punch through an energy sheild, its an ENERGY shield, it blocks ENERGY attacks. Otherwise Iron Man would never be hurt by physical attacks and could beat the sh*t out of Hulk with both hands tied behind his back."

 

if you honestly believe that, then you need to go back and take some more physics classes, ask your teacher about something called 'kinetic energy'. it's the thing that actually hurts you when people hit you.

 

 

"I think you've been following the trends of people who can't admit they lost. You make up feats and abilities when you can't find any, you also try ignoring other people's arguments even when they have an irrefutable amount of logic on their side. Instead of debating with logic, you debate likw a whiny b*tch who can't understand when they've lost. It's annoying quite frankly, and makes you somewhat of a Skirmisher Jr. I don't think debating is you're thing, you could try politics though, you'd fit in nice there."

 

as i've already said once, i don't make anything up, i don't have to. and you continue to fall back on insults. it's highly amusing

 

 

"I'm gonna explain this one more time, and if you choose to ignore it yet again, God help me. The feat for breaking a GL's shield was under antagonist adaption, I'm not saying he bypasses the shield, he broke through it, but a Scarab's energy blasts are specifically designed to break through a GL's shields. If you read BB's comics, you would know The Reach and the GL are dire enemies, so when designing the Scarab, they made the blasts being able to go through a shield, it makes sense for people with half a brain. Its like using a gun to kill a person in a fistfight, sure you killed the person, but you didn't do it unaided, so thus the feat is moot. Besides, it seems like you're basing you're entire argument off of this feat, which has astonishing evidence to disrepute it."

 

actually, your gun analogy explains what the Scarab does perfectly. at the start of this match between BB and IM, it is, to use your own analogy, basically a fist fight. the Scarabs scans will show that IM is infact carrying a sword and a shield. so it provides BB with a gun.

 

Yellow lanterns(Sinestro Corps) and Green Lanterns, are equally powerful. the Scarab is capable of creating an energy shield that can tank blasts from a member of the Sinestro corps. against the Green Lanterns, it uses that same amount of power, but in energy blasts, instead of energy Shields.

 

 

 

now, i'm tired, i haven't slept in about 28 hours, so i'm about to head for my bed. i'll be back for more debating in 6-8 hours.

[Guest force_echo]

"Yes you are making up abilities, "While the Scarab is aware of magic, it doesn't understand it. It's able to perceive, absorb, and disrupt magical energies, but little else", The scarab does not use magic in its blasts as you claim, on the contrary, its actually confused by magic, and can't do anything but detect, absorb, and disrupt them. "

 

when have i ever claimed that the Scarab understands magic? all i have said is that it uses Magical Energy, which is a fact.

 

"Again, you're making stuff up, its scans are not only not magical in nature, BB cannot scan magical creatures, "The Scarab can't analyse certain mystical creatures, and so is unable to develop countermeasures for them." "

 

yes, its scans are magical in nature. that's why it can't analyse "certain mystical creatures", because they can either counter, or resist the magic of the scans. you should have included the rest of the quote, which gives credit to my point about it's attacks being able to reach higher levels than its baseline "When faced with certain other mystical entities, such as the Spectre, the Scarab panics, offering Jaime ever more powerful weapons to take them on."

 

"You're logic makes absolutely no sense. I'm not talking about BB's energy field, im saying that he cannot absorb hardly any energy. Iron Man, on the other hand, will never run out of energy in this fight, and use BB's blasts to power his armor into even higher levels, so this even MORE a stomp than it would be without Iron Man's absorbtion ability. I'm not using absorbtion as a defensive ability, in case you haven't noticed, Iron Man has energy shields too, I'm saying that Iron Man is functionally unbeatable because he can just absorb everything BB throws at him and now, he's EVEN STRONGER, his sheilds are stronger, his repulsors, strength, speed, all stronger, and he can get there EXPONENTIALLY faster than BB's comparatively shitty energy absorption. "

 

 

""Oh, I'll use your analogy.

 

the quarters. Ok the handful of quarters is BB, now I'm going to use the same analogy to describe Iron Man's absorbtion.

 

BB throws quarters at Iron Man, Iron Man catches ALL quarters and turns them into half dollars. Then Iron Man uses some quarters to repair himself and fling all the other quarters at BB. BB catches like 3, which he can't do anything with, and gets brained by the other 500 quarters."

 

my logic makes perfect sense. to continue with the quarter analogy, and use Your version. when BB catches the 3 quarters, he can use them to augment the store of 'money' that powers the Scarab, while the rest of the quarters(the other 500) bounce off against his energy shield.

 

 

"Here you are again, making stuff up. You don't need to punch through an energy sheild, its an ENERGY shield, it blocks ENERGY attacks. Otherwise Iron Man would never be hurt by physical attacks and could beat the sh*t out of Hulk with both hands tied behind his back."

 

if you honestly believe that, then you need to go back and take some more physics classes, ask your teacher about something called 'kinetic energy'. it's the thing that actually hurts you when people hit you.

 

 

"I think you've been following the trends of people who can't admit they lost. You make up feats and abilities when you can't find any, you also try ignoring other people's arguments even when they have an irrefutable amount of logic on their side. Instead of debating with logic, you debate likw a whiny b*tch who can't understand when they've lost. It's annoying quite frankly, and makes you somewhat of a Skirmisher Jr. I don't think debating is you're thing, you could try politics though, you'd fit in nice there."

 

as i've already said once, i don't make anything up, i don't have to. and you continue to fall back on insults. it's highly amusing

 

 

"I'm gonna explain this one more time, and if you choose to ignore it yet again, God help me. The feat for breaking a GL's shield was under antagonist adaption, I'm not saying he bypasses the shield, he broke through it, but a Scarab's energy blasts are specifically designed to break through a GL's shields. If you read BB's comics, you would know The Reach and the GL are dire enemies, so when designing the Scarab, they made the blasts being able to go through a shield, it makes sense for people with half a brain. Its like using a gun to kill a person in a fistfight, sure you killed the person, but you didn't do it unaided, so thus the feat is moot. Besides, it seems like you're basing you're entire argument off of this feat, which has astonishing evidence to disrepute it."

 

actually, your gun analogy explains what the Scarab does perfectly. at the start of this match between BB and IM, it is, to use your own analogy, basically a fist fight. the Scarabs scans will show that IM is infact carrying a sword and a shield. so it provides BB with a gun.

 

Yellow lanterns(Sinestro Corps) and Green Lanterns, are equally powerful. the Scarab is capable of creating an energy shield that can tank blasts from a member of the Sinestro corps. against the Green Lanterns, it uses that same amount of power, but in energy blasts, instead of energy Shields.

 

 

 

now, i'm tired, i haven't slept in about 28 hours, so i'm about to head for my bed. i'll be back for more debating in 6-8 hours.

Energy shields don't block Kinetic energy, otherwise Iron Man would never be hurt with physical attacks. Thats the whole point of an energy shield, it blocks energy attacks, thermal, electrical, nuclear, not kinetic, because kinetic energy is always accompanied by a physical object. Iron Man's energy shields would easily be able to black a 100 ton hit by hulk by your logic. Maybe you haven't read any comics so you do not know this but, Iron Man actually gets hit by Hulk, and it hurts. Energy shields don't block punches, Jesus, in every comic ever made this is the case, ENERGY SHIELDS NO NOT BLOCK PHYSICAL ATTACKS.

 

You said it uses Magic Energy to augment its blasts, an I'm telling you, you're making shit up, all BB can do it absorb percieve and disrupt magic, its energy blasts are just that, pure energy.

 

You can't prove that its scans are magical in nature, and again you're making shit up. All it can do is percieve, disrupt, and absorb magic. Notice I did not include "Scans using magical powers" or "Augments its energy blasts with magic".

 

I never said that BB cannot enhance its powers, but it dosen't do so with magic, and it can't go beyonf city-destroying. You're acting like city destroying is its base. Its never reached that level, and noone except the Scarab itself has said that it can reach that level.

 

What can you buy with 3 quarters? Nothing. What can you buy with 500,000 Quarters? A lot more. BB's energy absorbtion absorbs a completly insignificant amount of energy, by the time it gathered energy from its absrobtion to actually do something, the fight would be over, or Iron Man would be too old to care. BB's absorbtion is not even a factor in this fight. Iron Man, however can absorb ANYTHING BB throws at him INSTANTLY and use it to power ANY of his suit's functions to upraded levels.

 

No this is the approppriate analogy. BB comes into the fight with his fists. Iron Man comes into the fight with a nuclear weapon. BB gets a gun. Iron Man still has a nuclear weapon, but just for kicks, absorbs BB's gun to become even more powerful, and instantly stomp BB. And really BB wouldn't even be able to upgrade at all because of Iron Man's mag fields preventing the Scarab from scanning and Iron Man being from another universe. So really, its still an unexperienced guy with fists against a guy whos been fighting world-threatining entities before Jamie was born, with a nuke.

 

Against GL rings, the Scarab has an edge up, so that energy blast feat really has no merit. And really, thats his only feat for energy blasts.

[Schnee Corp Lawyer]

Energy shields don't block Kinetic energy, otherwise Iron Man would never be hurt with physical attacks. Thats the whole point of an energy shield, it blocks energy attacks, thermal, electrical, nuclear, not kinetic, because kinetic energy is always accompanied by a physical object. Iron Man's energy shields would easily be able to black a 100 ton hit by hulk by your logic. Maybe you haven't read any comics so you do not know this but, Iron Man actually gets hit by Hulk, and it hurts. Energy shields don't block punches, Jesus, in every comic ever made this is the case, ENERGY SHIELDS NO NOT BLOCK PHYSICAL ATTACKS.

I think thats bad science on the writers part, honestly

[Indolent]

I'm not liking how you're indirectly slamming Skirmisher, Force Echo.