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Doom takes this rather easily, nothing Thanos has done on his own, even comes close to taking the power of pre-retcon Beyonder.

Aragorn, without a shred of doubt.

Damn, this is awesome, the only bad thing about this match, is the massive stomp. The Z Fighters will get ripped apart like wet tissue paper.

The Space marines in a horrible, violent stomp. Vader and Maul might get a little bit of advanced warning before the Space marines start shooting, but the bolters doesn't shoot laser bolts which they can deflect with their lightsabers, they shoot large slugs which explodes when they come near them. This means that when Vader and Maul tries to deflect the shots from the Space marines, they will get turned into bloody chunks.

"Also, you're completely wrong. Reflex speed is the time it takes to react to an outside stimulus, being that that's what REFLEXES ARE. It is not "how long it takes for your brain to register something is happening". I'll rephrase your statement a bit, to include a few extra bits of information, that you seem to be missing. Reflex speed is the time it takes for your brain to receive information from your senses, interpret that information and send the correct signal out to the various muscles etc. In order to react to an outside stimulus. While a large portion of this takes place entirely within the subconscious mind, rather than the concious mind, it's still a process which takes place within your brain.

While there's been given some information about the two Gokus, there aren't any information about which particular version of Superman is in the fight. Dependant on which version, this might actually be an interesting fight.

The average throwing speed of anything is 35 mph? I'm not really sure if you're just stupid, have a reading problem, or simply that eager to get into a debate, but he actually answered that particular question in the post you're replying to, I've taken the liberty of underlining the important bits, which you seem to have missed in your initial read through. a 12 year old(male) has an average throwing velocity(with a dodgeball) of roughly 35 MpH So I can throw a truck at 35 mph? I can throw a feather at 35 mph? Yes, of course you can, just like you're also able to fire laser beams from your eyes and breathe in space [/sarcasm] You're so hilariously stupid, you don't even understand the context of the statistics you spout. The context of the statistics is pretty clear, I'll refer you to my first quote, where I've underlined the important bits, if you still don't get it, I'll be happy to try and dumb it down for you.

If Superman can hear that well and react that fast, and move that fast how is the following possible? Batman launching him via judo throw Anything on Earth hitting him, I mean he is 10010101 times faster than light, what is a missile, gun shot, punch, etc going to do, yet these things have all hit him and even more times when people catch him by surprise. I do not mean they tricked him, I mean they snuck up behind him and punched him or attacked him. If you don't answer PIS or Plot Devices, or that it was another universe and still have a valid reason why he can be that powerful and be so vulnerable at the same time, I will concede. Two different reasons, first one is Superman mentally limiting himself, for fear of killing his opponent, which in this case will be removed rather quickly, when Goku proves that he's capable of dealing and handling a sufficient level of force. Second one is shitty writers who doesn't have the imagination to write stories about Superman without having him be extremely limited. In a short phrase, Comic Mechanics.

Quasar rather easily wins this fight, While Spider-man stands next to him completely useless.

Sinister's powers always seemed kind of vague to me. Per Wikipedia: It's called research, as in reading the comics where he appears so you can get first hand information, rather than relying on second hand accounts. His powers are pretty well defined over the course of the comics he has appeared in. The character is telepathic, able to manipulate the minds of others in various ways, This sounds like it's subtle, long-term manipulation. If that's the case, it may not help him much in this set up. It isn't, it's telepathy just like Emma Frost, Jean Grey and Charles Xavier is capable of, which is what ensures his complete domination of this particular fight. Does Sinister have some power that I'm missing? Yes and no, it isn't a power on its own, but he's shown himself capable of shutting down the powers of mutants which means he'll be able to turn off Sebastian shaws powers, removing him from the fight. Nothing Sinister has will hurt Sandman Not true, Sinister is an extremely capable telepath, which makes him more than capable of taking down Sandman.

Are you serious? Try any time you've ever debated me before. 98% of the time you're wrong, and 100% of the time you're attempts to personally irk the other dude provide good entertainment in the process. Considering the apparently vast number of times I've been factually incorrect in a debate with you, then you shouldn't have a hard time providing some evidence to support your claim, since you didn't I can only consider this as a concession of my point, since a good debater typically provides evidence for the claims he's made when asked for them, rather than giving some bullshit answer and hoping that his opponent will simply ignore the point. The second scan definitely does not show hacking lol. I can only guess that you need to get some new glasses or contacts, since the second scan shows hacking to the same degree that the first one does, I've taken the liberty to do a minor edit to the scan, and circle the area you've quite obviously missed in your perusal. http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b381/kain_boa/hacking_zps00fd8a83.jpg Also, hacking a computer is cool and all, but it's not very useful in a fight. I'm very well aware that Sabretooth has some hidden intelligence (according to some writers), but that intelligence in a fight is covered by his "extreme arrogance and bestial nature" in a fight, so it doesn't really do him a whole lot of good. By your own admission here, you agree that Sabretooth isn't stupid, which is what the argument has been about from the beginning, whether or not his particular intelligence will be of any use to him in this fight, is a completely different argument. You simply made a blanket statement, claiming that he is stupid, which is blatantly incorrect, and which I pointed out, you're now by trying to shift the argument into his intelligence not being useful in a fight. Ok, well then failing to address your opponents points in any way is still bad debating. I disagreed with two of your four points about Sabretooth, namely him being stupid, and apparently incapable of taking a stealthy approach when necessary, which I addressed in my intial post. I agree with you in the two other points, namely him being arrogant, and aggressive, I would've thought it fairly obvious since I didn't say anything about those two points, but since you obviously need to have it spelled out, I've obliged you. With my original post and the follow up post, I have addressed the points you've brought up, while you've neglected to provide evidence for any of your points thus far, yet you keep claiming that I am the bad debater, the irony is rather entertaining. Considering your debating behaviour thus far, namely falsely trying to claim that I've said something which I haven't and now goal posting, I'm not going to respond any further, since trying to engage in a debate with a dishonest opponent, is a waste of time.

Funny, that's what I always thought about you. Very well, then please give some examples of where I've said something that was factually wrong, rather than merely a difference in opinion. Since in this particular case, I will be showing that I do know what I'm talking about when I claim that Sabretooth isn't stupid, nor incapable of taking a stealthy approach, whereas you thus far haven't done anything other than showcasing your rather blatant ignorance in regards to the same. I don't get your point. Okay, so reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points either, I'll rephrase slightly, and hopefully you'll be able to grasp the point. "I will include a scan, which shows Sabretooth messing around with Wolverine, rather than taking the direct approach, to show the fact that he is capable of taking a stealthy approach." I hope that this rephrasing wasn't too complicated for you to understand, but if you still don't get the point, I don't mind rephrasing it again. Is he intelligent because he shoved Wasabi up Wolverine's nose, when he has extensive knowledge and experience with how Wolverine's sense of smell works? Awesome, that puts him at... The stupidest person here. No, the scans weren't about his intelligence, they were about Sabretooth being stealthy and drawing wolverine out, rather than simply engaging him directly. Since you apparently didn't look at anything beyond the first scan, I'll summarize. Sabretooth puts Wasabi up Wolverines nose to prevent him from finding Kitty Pryde and Mariko, then retreats. He then goes on to utilize a ninja-suit, along with several puppets, in order to draw Wolverine to the place of his choice, where upon he engages him. If he was as prone to a direct assault as you claimed, he would have simply engaged Wolverine in combat from the beginning, but he didn't. Another example of the same, is when he escapes from the X-mansion, and rather than directly confront Bishop, he hides and waits in an ambush. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/bishop2.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/bishop3.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/bishop4.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/bishop5.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/bishop6.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/bishop7.jpg Yet another example of the same is when he ambushes and defeats the X-factor team one by one, rather than simply engaging them directly. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/xfactor_v1_136_12_rougher.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/xfactor.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/xfactor1.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/xfactor3.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/xfactor4.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/xfactor5.jpg So, to summarize, in the first scan I showed, we've seen Sabretooth utilizing stealth to draw wolverine to a predetermined spot. In the second, he's using stealth to ambush Bishop, and in the third he's using stealth to defeat the X-factor. All of these goes rather contrary to your claim of Sabretooth not using stealth. He's an idiot, that very comic arc you're referencing he was being controlled by Romulus/Weapon X. He would like nothing more than to shred Wolverine into little pieces in a direct fight (as demonstrated the first time Wolverine "killed" Sabretooth) but he's being led on by people smarter than he is. You keep trying to make an argument about Sabretooth being stupid, by utilizing the first scan I showed, as your counter proof, when the scan wasn't to showcase his intelligence in the first place. The only argument I gave about Sabretooth not being stupid, was that the only reason one would make such a statement, is a lack of knowledge about the character. Given your argument, I can only come to the conclusion, which was rather obvious from your initial statement, that you don't really know much about him. I'll educate you a bit then. Over the course of a single fight, he deduces that Daredevil is blind. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-13.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-14.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-15.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-16.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-17.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-18.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-19.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/Daredevil_238-20.jpg Hardly something an idiot would be capable of. Another example of his cunning is when he manipulates Boom Boom into releasing him from his restraints. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/17.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/18.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/19-1.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/20.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/21.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/22.jpg He hacks into a government database, again not something an idiot would be capable of. Minor side note here, there are two different scans, showing this particular point. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/hacker.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/hacker3.jpg He deduces that some creations of Sinister are telepathic, and then using a device given to him by his employers, to projects his mind into them, in order to take them out. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/supermenowneddeductiveskills.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/supermenowneddeductiveskills2.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/supermenowneddeductiveskills3.jpg You don't know what you're talking about, even in the damn scans, he lets Wolverine come up close to him, fight, and then begins to piss him off out of spite. Funny, first off, you claim that I don't know what I'm talking about, when your claims, namely Sabretooth being stupid and apparently incapable of taking a stealthy approach, has been dis-proven on multiple occasions. Secondly, the fact that he engages Wolverine in H2H combat at the end, doesn't negate the fact that he kept away from Wolverine previously, and lured him to that particular spot. Yeah, that definitely shows that he's not arrogant, good debating Kain. First off, I haven't said anything about Sabretooth being arrogant or not. From what I know, claiming that your opponent has said something which they haven't, isn't exactly considered stellar debating, but I guess where you're from such behaviour is looked upon as proper. Secondly, I've now quite clearly shown, that Sabretooth is more than capable of taking a stealthy approach, and that he is far from an idiot, which rather nicely proves my initial points.

You know, I find it amusing how you always try to sound like you know what you're talking about, even though your ignorance is quite obvious. With that said, no Sabretooth isn't stupid, nor is he as incapable of taking a stealthy approach as you make it sound. I'll include an example of where he messed around with Wolverine, rather than simply take the direct fight, as he would have if he were as prone to direct conflict as you make it sound. As for stupid, well if you would call Sabretooth stupid, then I suppose you would also simply call wolverine for a berserking brawler, without a shred of martial skill, as it's roughly along the same level of knowledge about the character. http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/WFC_2_DCP_015.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/WFC_2_DCP_016.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/WFC_2_DCP_018.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/WFC_2_DCP_020.jpg http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/jinzin2008/WFC_2_DCP_022.jpg

He's more powerful, and more ruthless.

Considering that Discord is a reality warper, he could easily win by simply changing the rules of the universe they're fighting in, so that down is blue, up is forty and Dr. Doomsday is a hummingbird. And since Dr. Doomsday doesn't have any defences against it, there's absolutely nothing he can do about it.