Superman vs Darkseid

[Guest force_echo]

The characters can not go straight to light speed. In Flash Rebirth they specifically state that they are building up to light speed and then once they achieve it they sped up again to run back in time. So no, they cant. Flash is faster than Supes and even he has to build up to it. So your point is moot.

 

Darkseid wins!

That's pure BS. Wally West has gone from 0 to 7.5 milion C before. Superman has consistently been stated as having FTL reflexes, even WW has Light speed reflexes. When Superman outraced a double black hole, he didn't accelerate, if he did, its so small it dosen't even have an efect on his speed, the same thing when he flew millions of light years to Hal Jordan. One panel he lifted off, the next he was there with no indiciation of acceleration. These characters DO go from 0 to multiple C with little to no acceleration.

[Guest Falcon]

That's pure BS. Wally West has gone from 0 to 7.5 milion C before. Superman has consistently been stated as having FTL reflexes, even WW has Light speed reflexes. When Superman outraced a double black hole, he didn't accelerate, if he did, its so small it dosen't even have an efect on his speed, the same thing when he flew millions of light years to Hal Jordan. One panel he lifted off, the next he was there with no indiciation of acceleration. These characters DO go from 0 to multiple C with little to no acceleration.

Not if you actaully READ the comic. In Flash Rebirth both Barry Allen and Wally West are trying to catch up with Zoom and state they have to try and run faster. The have to try and pick up speed to reach light speed.

 

During the entire scene both and struggling to run faster and faster trying to pick up speed. So no. The fastest person in DC has to BUILD UP to lightspeed. He doesnt just automatically achieve it.

[Guest force_echo]

Not if you actaully READ the comic. In Flash Rebirth both Barry Allen and Wally West are trying to catch up with Zoom and state they have to try and run faster. The have to try and pick up speed to reach light speed.

 

During the entire scene both and struggling to run faster and faster trying to pick up speed. So no. The fastest person in DC has to BUILD UP to lightspeed. He doesnt just automatically achieve it.

Again, that acceleration would be negligable in real time. If you actually read any other Flash comic or Superman comic, to anyone outside of the person himself, it seems like he's going through no acceleration. There are literally thousands of scans that support this. In Rebirth, they were actually trying to catch up with someone who was at least as fast as they are, to Darkseid's nowhere near as fast as Zoom. To Seid's infinitely slower self, he won't even know what's coming. As soon as the match starts, he'll be down for the count.

[Guest Falcon]

Again, that acceleration would be negligable in real time. If you actually read any other Flash comic or Superman comic, to anyone outside of the person himself, it seems like he's going through no acceleration. There are literally thousands of scans that support this. In Rebirth, they were actually trying to catch up with someone who was at least as fast as they are, to Darkseid's nowhere near as fast as Zoom. To Seid's infinitely slower self, he won't even know what's coming. As soon as the match starts, he'll be down for the count.

Still no because Superman is nowhere near strong enough to one hit Darkseid. Not even sundipped has Supes achieved one hitting Darkseid.

[Guest force_echo]

Still no because Superman is nowhere near strong enough to one hit Darkseid. Not even sundipped has Supes achieved one hitting Darkseid.

This is it. I can't f*cking take "debating" with this utter and complete retard anymore. You're not even reading what I'm saying, do you have dyslexia? Is the font too small for you? Or is this another case of Falcon being a complete dumbass and thinking he can win a debate by simply ignoring the other people's argument?

 

For the record, this is the third time I'm saying this, and the third time you've reacted like a dumbass and blanked out. Superman will not hit Seid once at the speed of light, he will hit him THOUSANDS of times in the of less than ONE nanosecond. Here's logic for you, Flash with his Infinite MAss Punch can hurt beings 1,000,000 times stronger than him. Imagine Supes using the same technique against Darkseid, who has 1 times the durability of Superman. The punches will be coming at lightspeed, since you probably have not gone to high school and taken a physics class, a punch at light speed will hurt approximately 90,000,000,000,000,000 times more than a "regular" punch. Imagine thousands or even hundreds of these in straight succession, to a being who gets hurt by Supe's normal punches.

[Guest Falcon]

This is it. I can't f*cking take "debating" with this utter and complete retard anymore. You're not even reading what I'm saying, do you have dyslexia? Is the font too small for you? Or is this another case of Falcon being a complete dumbass and thinking he can win a debate by simply ignoring the other people's argument?

 

For the record, this is the third time I'm saying this, and the third time you've reacted like a dumbass and blanked out. Superman will not hit Seid once at the speed of light, he will hit him THOUSANDS of times in the of less than ONE nanosecond. Here's logic for you, Flash with his Infinite MAss Punch can hurt beings 1,000,000 times stronger than him. Imagine Supes using the same technique against Darkseid, who has 1 times the durability of Superman. The punches will be coming at lightspeed, since you probably have not gone to high school and taken a physics class, a punch at light speed will hurt approximately 90,000,000,000,000,000 times more than a "regular" punch. Imagine thousands or even hundreds of these in straight succession, to a being who gets hurt by Supe's normal punches.

and you ignored the fact that they have to build up to that speed. Darkseid is shown superior. All have admitted that Supes doesnt stand a chance but Im just the stubborn one that will continue to prove you wrong and yes you have been proven wrong in ALL of our debates.

[Guest bigballerju]

Holy crap this is still going?

 

For the record Falcon your wrong as Flash does not have to build up to light speed and go past it. Wally West can reach light speed quickly and so can Bart Allen. Both have said they could very easily tap into the speed force and go beyond FTL. LOL I can't believe that part is even in question. Superman too with ease and in minutes could shoot right up to light speed. (Superman would take a few minutes to reach FTL while Flash would take seconds)

[Guest force_echo]

No, they can go light speed almost instantly, like Superman has shown on almost every occasion he went FTL. He's NEVER had to build speed to go FTL, he just zooms, and if he does have to, its so quick thats its negligable. Flash said that, because relative to the speed they and Zoom, a superfast being at least as fast as the Flash, it was a while. To Darkseid, who's nowhere near Zoom's speed, it won't make a difference. Yeah right, the only way you've won anything is in your deluded fantasy world.

[Guest Falcon]

No, they can go light speed almost instantly, like Superman has shown on almost every occasion he went FTL. He's NEVER had to build speed to go FTL, he just zooms, and if he does have to, its so quick thats its negligable. Flash said that, because relative to the speed they and Zoom, a superfast being at least as fast as the Flash, it was a while. To Darkseid, who's nowhere near Zoom's speed, it won't make a difference. Yeah right, the only way you've won anything is in your deluded fantasy world.

Myself and ALL the others will have to agree to disagree because we all see it one way and you see it another.