World Breaker Hulk

[Guest Omega11]

War Hulk.

 

Broken Thor's Hammer, said to be harder than the Shield.

 

First of all, this isn't War Hulk, and secondly, where was that stated?

 

Last I checked, Cap's shield is more durable than Thor's Hammer, adamantium, and vibranium.

[Indolent]

First of all, this isn't War Hulk, and secondly, where was that stated?

 

Last I checked, Cap's shield is more durable than Thor's Hammer, adamantium, and vibranium.

I know it wasn't stated that. War Hulk did knock out Juggernaut. I've reason to believe that WBH can do the same and beyond.

 

I know about the vibranium and the adamntium... But as the Hammer by itself is harder than Adamantium and when its imbued by Thor's essence it gets harder...

[Guest Omega11]

Even if World Breaker Hulk gets a running start as well, and smashes Juggy's oncoming head with a maximum power planet busting punch?!

 

First of all, Hulk would still have no leverage without the ability to fly, so all he can do is scrape the ground.

 

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthr...mp;pagenumber=2

 

Scroll down and look at the second page scanned. That's what happens when someone without flight tries to get into a pushing match with the Juggernaut, they can't get any leverage to push against him with, so they just get pushed right back into the ground.

 

And secondly, despite his title World Breaker Hulk never demonstrated anything near world-breaking power. Yes I'm aware of the "footsteps causing a continent to break" thing, but let's break that down shall we?

 

This "feat" comes from some random presidential aide saying "One more footstep like that and we lose the eastern sea board." How the heck would that guy have any idea of that? But even so, that's nowhere near destroying the planet. Now I know someone will say, "That was a restrained strength feat, imagine what he can do when he puts effort into it!" Well guess what, I can restrain myself and still accidentally rip a piece of paper, but with all of my strength I can't bend a solid steel bar. I don't know the actual figures, but the eastern sea board is only a tiny fraction of the planet Earth. It's like saying that because you can tear up some grass you could also destroy a whole football field with one blow.

 

I see what you're saying, and I would like to also ask..... if World Breaker Hulk is at an all time furious/rage level high and is 100% adamant about bending the shield and twisting it up like a news paper, he'll obvious try, and the shield wont give way, but what if he keeps getting more and more determinted to break it? And he sits there with all the rage in his heart trying to conquer it... Will he still fail? Will he be there all day long trying with every ounce of his effort, to no avail?

 

The thing is, Cap's shield actually absorbs energy. This is why when blocking the blows of superhumans, he isn't just crushed underneath his indestrucible shield, it absorbs the force of the blow so he doesn't have to.

 

So no matter how much force Hulk exerts on the shield, it will just absorb it. This is why it can't be destroyed by physical attacks.

 

Then I have a scenario for a full powered Juggernaut.......

 

What if Juggy gets a running start (like said above) and builds up to full speed running forward, and at the same time, Magneto uses every ounce of his power (he's at full power too) to force a 5 foot thick (thousand ton) Adamantium wall forward into Juggy as he is running into it...... what happens when those two objects collide?

 

So it's Juggernaut's mystical momentum against Magneto's mutant magnetism? Juggernaut wins easily, it doesn't matter what the wall is made of. Of course, since it's adamantium, he won't go through it, but he will just push it back.

[Indolent]

First of all, Hulk would still have no leverage without the ability to fly, so all he can do is scrape the ground.

 

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthr...mp;pagenumber=2

 

Scroll down and look at the second page scanned. That's what happens when someone without flight tries to get into a pushing match with the Juggernaut, they can't get any leverage to push against him with, so they just get pushed right back into the ground.

 

And secondly, despite his title World Breaker Hulk never demonstrated anything near world-breaking power. Yes I'm aware of the "footsteps causing a continent to break" thing, but let's break that down shall we?

 

This "feat" comes from some random presidential aide saying "One more footstep like that and we lose the eastern sea board." How the heck would that guy have any idea of that? But even so, that's nowhere near destroying the planet. Now I know someone will say, "That was a restrained strength feat, imagine what he can do when he puts effort into it!" Well guess what, I can restrain myself and still accidentally rip a piece of paper, but with all of my strength I can't bend a solid steel bar. I don't know the actual figures, but the eastern sea board is only a tiny fraction of the planet Earth. It's like saying that because you can tear up some grass you could also destroy a whole football field with one blow.

 

 

 

The thing is, Cap's shield actually absorbs energy. This is why when blocking the blows of superhumans, he isn't just crushed underneath his indestrucible shield, it absorbs the force of the blow so he doesn't have to.

 

So no matter how much force Hulk exerts on the shield, it will just absorb it. This is why it can't be destroyed by physical attacks.

 

 

 

So it's Juggernaut's mystical momentum against Magneto's mutant magnetism? Juggernaut wins easily, it doesn't matter what the wall is made of. Of course, since it's adamantium, he won't go through it, but he will just push it back.

Referring to the aide you're speaking off, it was the same one that stated that experts they have on the payroll, like magical experts and whatnot, said that Strange had Zom and that NYC was basically hell on earth and whatnot... its safe to assume he had received word from a a random expert of this beforehand or speedily or he might be an specialist in the field himself.

 

Another thing, Hulk knew he would have destroyed the world if Tony didn't stop him as he clearly states, "STOP ME, BEFORE I BREAK THE WORLD!"

[Guest Omega11]

I know it wasn't stated that. War Hulk did knock out Juggernaut. I've reason to believe that WBH can do the same and beyond.

 

I know about the vibranium and the adamntium... But as the Hammer by itself is harder than Adamantium and when its imbued by Thor's essence it gets harder...

 

War Hulk is completely different than World Breaker Hulk. War Hulk had Celestial tech helping him out. Celestials, as in the high-end cosmic guys who even Odin with all of his power couldn't really fight evenly.

 

World War Hulk couldn't beat Juggernaut, World Breaker Hulk hasn't shown anything that Juggernaut hasn't already tanked before.

 

As far as the Hammer goes, I think it's actually a little weaker than Adamantium(it's been broken many times, whereas I don't think adamantium has really ever been broken in 616 continuity, I could be wrong), and for being stonger with Thor's essence, I've never heard that, but I think it's just when Odin-Force Thor strengthened it.

 

But either way, the shield absorbs energy directed against it, the Hammer doesn't(on it's own), Hulk won't be able to hurt it.

[Guest Omega11]

Referring to the aide you're speaking off, it was the same one that stated that experts they have on the payroll, like magical experts and whatnot, said that Strange had Zom and that NYC was basically hell on earth and whatnot... its safe to assume he had received word from a a random expert of this beforehand or speedily or he might be an specialist in the field himself.

 

It's possible, and that wasn't critical to my point, I just found that silly.

 

Another thing, Hulk knew he would have destroyed the world if Tony didn't stop him as he clearly states, "STOP ME, BEFORE I BREAK THE WORLD!"

 

Right. And the Hulk has never been wrong before.

 

Oh wait, he was tough-talking all over Juggernaut just a little while earlier, and yet he got the heck out of there without giving Juggernaut a scratch.

 

It's the same as all those guys who say "You can't beat me!" shortly followed by their inevitable defeat.

[Indolent]

It's possible, and that wasn't critical to my point, I just found that silly.

 

 

 

Right. And the Hulk has never been wrong before.

 

Oh wait, he was tough-talking all over Juggernaut just a little while earlier, and yet he got the heck out of there without giving Juggernaut a scratch.

 

It's the same as all those guys who say "You can't beat me!" shortly followed by their inevitable defeat.

I understand.

 

Well this Hulk knew what he was talking about and he was a smart Hulk so you can't deny that there's a possibility that Hulk could have destroyed the world.

[Indolent]

War Hulk is completely different than World Breaker Hulk. War Hulk had Celestial tech helping him out. Celestials, as in the high-end cosmic guys who even Odin with all of his power couldn't really fight evenly.

 

World War Hulk couldn't beat Juggernaut, World Breaker Hulk hasn't shown anything that Juggernaut hasn't already tanked before.

 

As far as the Hammer goes, I think it's actually a little weaker than Adamantium(it's been broken many times, whereas I don't think adamantium has really ever been broken in 616 continuity, I could be wrong), and for being stonger with Thor's essence, I've never heard that, but I think it's just when Odin-Force Thor strengthened it.

 

But either way, the shield absorbs energy directed against it, the Hammer doesn't(on it's own), Hulk won't be able to hurt it.

Well, the reason why I said that was War Hulk didn't threaten to destroy the eastern sea board when he punched Juggernaut, knocking him out. WBH threaten to destroy the board with a footstep. Can you see how I see that?

 

And maybe just so, WBH will have a feat in the future for this purpose alone as Juggernaut's returned, back to full power and a villain once more?

 

Mh, kay, I'll concede.

[Guest Omega11]

Well this Hulk knew what he was talking about and he was a smart Hulk so you can't deny that there's a possibility that Hulk could have destroyed the world.

 

It's a comic book, so there's always a possibility, but there's no good evidence to support it.

 

Well, the reason why I said that was War Hulk didn't threaten to destroy the eastern sea board when he punched Juggernaut, knocking him out. WBH threaten to destroy the board with a footstep. Can you see how I see that?

 

I see your point of view, but the footstep thing is not a strength feat. It can't be a strength feat because he wasn't standing on a tectonic plate and he wasn't stepping at lightspeed. It's some sort of Gamma radiation feat if anything.

 

And maybe just so, WBH will have a feat in the future for this purpose alone as Juggernaut's returned, back to full power and a villain once more?

 

Certainly, anything can happen in the future. Red Hulk has taught us this. 5-10 years ago no one would have ever believed that stuff would/could happen.

[Indolent]

It's a comic book, so there's always a possibility, but there's no good evidence to support it.

 

 

 

I see your point of view, but the footstep thing is not a strength feat. It can't be a strength feat because he wasn't standing on a tectonic plate and he wasn't stepping at lightspeed. It's some sort of Gamma radiation feat if anything.

 

 

 

Certainly, anything can happen in the future. Red Hulk has taught us this. 5-10 years ago no one would have ever believed that stuff would/could happen.

Yes, that is true.

 

Mh, because of all the energy emitting off of him... so it's like a gamma bomb threatening to go off, whereas the energy is emitting off of his feet into the ground? Gamma Ray Burst?

 

You hit that right on the head, I agree.

[Guest Classic80s]

My guess is that the reason we really havent seen a lot of WBH's feats and/or why he hasn't really shown any "world breaking" feats, is because he holds back, and is never pushed to that point. I think if World Breaker Hulk was really pushed to the limit, he could shatter the globe with a single punch.

 

 

 

 

 

What about Red Hulk vs Cap's Shield? Since he can suck the power out of stuff, and is horrifically strong, do you think he could manipulate the Shield? I mean, the dude was stomping cosmic beings for crying out loud!

[Guest Artemis Entreri]

War Hulk is completely different than World Breaker Hulk. War Hulk had Celestial tech helping him out. Celestials, as in the high-end cosmic guys who even Odin with all of his power couldn't really fight evenly.

 

World War Hulk couldn't beat Juggernaut, World Breaker Hulk hasn't shown anything that Juggernaut hasn't already tanked before.

 

As far as the Hammer goes, I think it's actually a little weaker than Adamantium(it's been broken many times, whereas I don't think adamantium has really ever been broken in 616 continuity, I could be wrong), and for being stonger with Thor's essence, I've never heard that, but I think it's just when Odin-Force Thor strengthened it.

 

But either way, the shield absorbs energy directed against it, the Hammer doesn't(on it's own), Hulk won't be able to hurt it.

 

All this said and Savage Hulk (Way weaker than WBH) broke celestial chains... Chain Odin couldn't break. Mindless Hulk broke Onsluaghts armour..... Juggs could not! Omega, give it up! Juggs has never been stronger than Hulk. Further War Hulk is weaker than WBH so the win is clearly Hulk on both scenerios! Geez!

[treacherous]

A fully released Zom would mudhole stomp any version of Hulk.

 

Disclaimer: There was no reason for me to say this, I am just tired of talking about Hulk. So, Zom

[Guest Omega11]

All this said and Savage Hulk (Way weaker than WBH) broke celestial chains... Chain Odin couldn't break. Mindless Hulk broke Onsluaghts armour..... Juggs could not! Omega, give it up! Juggs has never been stronger than Hulk. Further War Hulk is weaker than WBH so the win is clearly Hulk on both scenerios! Geez!

 

Show me proof that World Breaker Hulk is stonger than either Savage, Mindless, or War Hulk. He doesn't have any feats, all he has is this hype, "He's never been angrier so he's never been stronger." Well clearly that only applies to his base level of strength(and even that is iffy) as he hasn't shown anywhere near to ridiculous feats of the others.

 

Also, show me the post where I said Juggernaut is stronger than Hulk. I didn't. But as most Hulk fans fail to realize, greater strength does not guarantee victory.

 

And explain to me just how any version of Hulk(sans Cosmic) could damage the shield when, as I already said, it absorbs any force directed against it?

[Guest Omega11]

My guess is that the reason we really havent seen a lot of WBH's feats and/or why he hasn't really shown any "world breaking" feats, is because he holds back, and is never pushed to that point. I think if World Breaker Hulk was really pushed to the limit, he could shatter the globe with a single punch.

 

You can think that all you want, but there's no proof to substantiate it.

 

Just like I can think the Lions are going to win the Superbowl...

 

What about Red Hulk vs Cap's Shield? Since he can suck the power out of stuff, and is horrifically strong, do you think he could manipulate the Shield? I mean, the dude was stomping cosmic beings for crying out loud!

 

Since when can he suck the power out of things? I heard he can absorb some forms of energy but the shield doesn't actually generate any energy by itself.

 

Most likely Red Hulk would knock himself out trying to bend the shield. As he gets madder and madder, he'll get hotter and hotter...yada yada yada...

 

A fully released Zom would mudhole stomp any version of Hulk.

 

Disclaimer: There was no reason for me to say this, I am just tired of talking about Hulk. So, Zom <<<< Any version of Hulk. The end.

 

Hmmm...was that on purpose?

[treacherous]

Hmmm...was that on purpose?

 

Yes, it's like the PacMan symbol eating up little widdle angwy Hulky. No, of course it was an accident. Zom smash Hulk regardless!!

[Guest Omega11]

Yes, it's like the PacMan symbol eating up little widdle angwy Hulky. No, of course it was an accident. Zom smash Hulk regardless!!

 

Ahh, but the real question is, could Zom(or Hulk for that matter) stand a chance against Blinky?

[treacherous]

Here are a few of Hulk's run in's with adamantium or adamantium alloys.

 

Adamantium Ball

 

In MARVEL TEAM-UP #18, Hulk fought the villain Blastaar in a factory built with an adamantium alloy (not true admanatium). To defeat the enemy, he wrapped the metal around him, formed a ball, and threw him in the sea.

 

MODOK

 

In Incredible Hulk #167, the Hulk shatters MODOK's armor, which is an alloy of adamantium (but not true adamantium).

 

 

Dogs of War

 

In Incredible Hulk : Future Imperfect #1, Maestro explains that he has created mechanical dogs (Dogs o' War) with jaws capable of crushing adamantinum in 7.3 seconds. That feat is never depicted on-panel. Hulk destroys the robot canine. It is not shown how he does it.

 

Thor vs Hulk vs Statue

 

In a fight with the Hulk, Thor let loose and hit him with enough power to send him flying into a statue supposedly made of pure adamantium. The base of the statue that Hulk slammed into was cracked and when the Hulk got to his feet and picked up the statue, pieces of it fell off where he grabbed it.

 

From this one, it would seem that Thor is the true adamantium breaker. He actually did dent Cap's shield once in anger and as retribution banged it back into shape with his hammer. I think the true test of WBHulk would be him vs. the real Thor. Screw Sentry, he couldn't beat WWHulk. Thor is the real powerhouse of Marvel Earth. Pit him against WBHulk and let's see the Earth Break.

 

 

Here's substance that can liquefy adamantium. Has nothing to do with the Hulk though.

 

Anti-Metal

 

This rare substance also known as Antarctic vibranium can produce vibrations of a specific wavelength that can liquefy all metal including adamantium.

 

As for this...

 

Show me proof that World Breaker Hulk is stonger than either Savage, Mindless, or War Hulk. He doesn't have any feats, all he has is this hype, "He's never been angrier so he's never been stronger." Well clearly that only applies to his base level of strength(and even that is iffy) as he hasn't shown anywhere near to ridiculous feats of the others.

 

He has one feat: His feet. His footstomp (one stomp) was threatening to destroy the entire eastern seaboard. That wasn't hype. That was fact. If he was merely stomping, I'd assume that if actually tried, he'd have destroyed civilization as we know it. I can't think of one version Hulk that has stomped his foot and caused that much damage. It doesn't answer your question, but this is a pretty frightening feat stronger than most I've seen.

[Guest Classic80s]

You can think that all you want, but there's no proof to substantiate it.

 

Well yeah, but it only makes sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for pure Adamantium being broken, that is SOOO B.S.! It's supposed to be 100% indestructible, but for some reason the writers feel the need that they must show it cracking or breaking. I mean, if you look at pure Adamantium and what it is supposed to be, Hulk is not going to cause it to crack just by being thrown into it. No way. As for Thor doing anything to it.... meh. The only thing that's supposed to hurt/destroy Adamantium is Anti-Metal (or near/omnipotent beings). Otherwise, whether it's a planet busting punch, a full bore hit from Juggernaut, or a massive full power swing from Thor.... nothing should effect Adamantium. Knock it back or over, sure. But to break it/bend it/crack it?! No. The writers need to get their stuff together and stick with Adamantium being 100% indestructible.

[Guest ricrery]

A medal Dog of War can snap adamantium in seven seconds (disproving this "adamantium is 100% indestructible" bullshit you've been spouting), and Hulk took a bite to the neck, then he got out and destroyed the Dog of War.

[Skirmisher]

A medal Dog of War can snap adamantium in seven seconds (disproving this "adamantium is 100% indestructible" bullshit you've been spouting), and Hulk took a bite to the neck, then he got out and destroyed the Dog of War.

Link to evidence or Scan showing so?

[Indolent]

A medal Dog of War can snap adamantium in seven seconds (disproving this "adamantium is 100% indestructible" bullshit you've been spouting), and Hulk took a bite to the neck, then he got out and destroyed the Dog of War.

Oh hey! Its been a while Ricrey! Well... Hulk was using both arms to keep it from biting all the way through so that's got to count for something... and the Dog of War didn't seem to be made of durable materials so...

 

 

I found this...

 

[Guest ricrery]

 

Adamantium is not indestructible.

[Skirmisher]

Ok...

 

1) The dog wasn't made of Adamantium (From everything I can find of them) so Hulk bashing it apart isn't showing that Adamantium is not Indestructable

 

2) So he stated that the Dog (Which he is fused with) can do such a thing... a Boast maybe? I can bench 500lbs and run 60kph for an hour... at the same time! True or False?

 

3) He didn't state the Purity of the Adamantium that he can supposedly crush... IIRC impure Grades of the metal can be destroyed.

[Indolent]

Like for an example, Wolverine's body is tempered with a form of TRUE Adamantium... in this case, it is called Beta Adamantium. It is a form of living adamantium due to being molecular bonded with Logan's bones... has it ever been destroyed by Hulk's punches? Noooo... not even WWH could punch break it...