Rumble 13568 Booster Gold and Blue Beetle (Ted Kord) vs. Power Man & Iron Fist

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

I get what Stranglehold is saying. He isn't saying that Luke Cage is strong as Wonder Man or that Luke Cage can beat him easily. He saying that strength is different than durability(which we all know). It's because of Luke's durability that kept him going with WM (even when he said he needs to go because he couldn't take anymore of Wonder Man). Stranglehold is strictly talking about the durability not the strength of Luke Cage. Calling it PIS is probably true, if so then Spider-man staggering Hulk with one punch is PIS, Wolverine fighting Hulk (all of there fights) was PIS, Captain American fight Iron Man was PIS, etc.

 

Yes, they probably were.

[Guest force_echo]

Right. So again, we've established that Cage probably can not get through Booster's forcefield. He can take Booster's punches though.

 

Another factor we should consider is that Booster is a timetraveler. If necessary, he could time dump the two, but he probably wouldn't do that. Just saiyan he could.

Again, not really. Even if it could contain Cage, Rand could absorb it/break through it, and take out Booster before he even knew what was going on. Team 2 wins this one.

[C.T.]

How could Rand absorb it?

 

He could possibly break through it if he was allowed to significantly charge his chi into his Iron Fist and Booster stayed upon the ground.

 

Mh. It depends on how long Blue Beetle can distract Iron Fist for. Iron Fist is the superior martial artist but Ted is no slouch and I see no reason why Rand would go all out right off the bat.

[Guest khoi]

PIS PIS PIS PIS! What's With All The PIS?

[Guest force_echo]

How could Rand absorb it?

 

He could possibly break through it if he was allowed to significantly charge his chi into his Iron Fist and Booster stayed upon the ground.

 

Mh. It depends on how long Blue Beetle can distract Iron Fist for. Iron Fist is the superior martial artist but Ted is no slouch and I see no reason why Rand would go all out right off the bat.

Rand can absorb any energy, he's even absorbed electromagnetic fields before. Besides, I doubt the field can stand up to multiple Iron Fists.

 

Blue Beetle will get annihilated by Iron Fist. That's not even a valid fight. So after Rand takes the 1-2 seconds he needs to take down Beetle, he takes down Gold. Seriously, I've never seen anything from Booster, including that scan where Booster holds Doomsday for a brief while that indicates he can take down Fist. Also, as someone else pointed out, Gold got his ass majorly kicked by Doomsday at least twice.

 

EDIT: I looked it up. The force field only took ONE hit from Doomsday, and it fried the generator. Doomsday then proceeded to literally rip his armor apart effortlessly. Yeaahhh, not that impressive of a feat.

[Guest Dinsdale Piranha]

Again, not really. Even if it could contain Cage, Rand could absorb it/break through it, and take out Booster before he even knew what was going on. Team 2 wins this one.

 

I doubt that Iron Fist could break it. As i said earlier, when Braniac 5 was using the force shield belt, heavy hitters like Superboy, Supergirl and Mon El could not break through. And I don't think he could absorb it. When he fought Master Khan, he could absork energy blasts (Flames of the Faltine, Bilts of Bishru) but could not absorb a barrier type spell (Crimson Bands of Cittorak._

[The Void]

Thor was only a class 90 back then? What are you talking about? Unless it was directly stated that he was weaker back then (compared to, say, when he lifted the Midgard Serpent), that opinion holds no weight. O.o

 

Thor didn't really lift the Midgard serpent...And it was stated by Marvel that him and Wonder Man were class 90 back in their classic days. Its not an opinion..

[The Void]

Rand can absorb any energy, he's even absorbed electromagnetic fields before. Besides, I doubt the field can stand up to multiple Iron Fists.

 

Blue Beetle will get annihilated by Iron Fist. That's not even a valid fight. So after Rand takes the 1-2 seconds he needs to take down Beetle, he takes down Gold. Seriously, I've never seen anything from Booster, including that scan where Booster holds Doomsday for a brief while that indicates he can take down Fist. Also, as someone else pointed out, Gold got his ass majorly kicked by Doomsday at least twice.

 

EDIT: I looked it up. The force field only took ONE hit from Doomsday, and it fried the generator. Doomsday then proceeded to literally rip his armor apart effortlessly. Yeaahhh, not that impressive of a feat.

 

Also the fact that Danny has the striking force of a freight train and above..

[AVP vs The Terminator]

 

 

Thor didn't really lift the Midgard serpent...And it was stated by Marvel that him and Wonder Man were class 90 back in their classic days. Its not an opinion..

 

Uh, how exactly did he not lift the Midgard Serpent?

 

And 1. Please provide a link to where they said this. 2. Feats in the comics > word of god as far as validity is concerned. It is an opinion, and a horrible one at that.

[The Void]

Uh, how exactly did he not lift the Midgard Serpent?

 

He was pulling it and he didn't pull the whole thing but pull a portion of it...Its been debunked a long time ago. If you want I can fully post why that feat is not truly impressive and this is coming from a Thor fan. Your choice.

 

And 1. Please provide a link to where they said this. 2. Feats in the comics > word of god as far as validity is concerned. It is an opinion, and a horrible one at that.

 

What are you talking about? Golden age Thor has not done anything that put him at 100 tons...Why don't you actually read his earlier comics...His strength feats were not that impressive to write about. Marvel has always stated that that classic Thor was always 90s tons.You find a scan of golden age Thor doing something above 90 tons.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

Don't assume I haven't read any of his earlier comics-- makes you look ignorant. I've got a shitload of Journey into Mystery on hardcopy.

 

Regardless, Journey into Mystery #92. Thor knocks over the Leaning Tower of Pisa by tapping it lightly with his finger. Ergo, you're wrong.

[C.T.]

 

 

Also the fact that Danny has the striking force of a freight train and above..

 

It is impressive, given the rest of his tech. One hit from Doomsday is still superior to most of what Rand can do.

[The Void]

Don't assume I haven't read any of his earlier comics-- makes you look ignorant. I've got a shitload of Journey into Mystery on hardcopy.

 

Okay Mister wiseguy then you would know the feat is not that great. Anyways lets begin..

 

What Thor did in that scan , and what a number of people have passed it to be , is similar to the claim that Superman is capable of blowing planets with his heat vision, or holding them in his hand , based on these scans , where he is in the New Gods world, interacting with the normal(mainstream DC) universe . Similar statements regarding the New Gods can be made as well , based on this scaling up phenomenon:

http://i1050.photobu...zps59c3c6ec.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps002c572f.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps736115c0.jpg

 

Now , to begin with , the Serpent crush Earth in normal space , it went into the Void(notice its size in Asgard-space , nowhere near continent , country or even city wide) :

 

Again , here the Serpent is mentioned to be in its ethereal form , in the regular Earth-Space:

 

That's why , as Thor mentions here , he'll have to venture to Asgard to deal with the Serpent there , as it was crushing Earth in normal space:

http://i1050.photobu...zps3c3f3063.png

 

Once there , Thor Persuade Hamir the Giant to help him travel by the former's ship to the Void between Earth and Asgard and uses the Hamir's Bull as a bait to fish out the Serpent:

http://i1050.photobu...zps1a6abccb.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps5ef9ab84.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zpseb5466eb.jpg

 

Now that all concerned parties are in the Void , its made clear that the Serpent is nowhere near continent sized(let alone of planetary proportions) . In fact its of normal monstrous proportions relative to even Thor himself:

http://i1050.photobu...zps10bf5c53.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps82734071.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zpse2caffdd.jpg

 

In fact it is stated by the narrative here that in the Void , space and time don't operate normally:

 

Within the context of Thor # 327(in which the above discussed feat takes place) , the Void(like the differently scaled New Gods Dimension that I showed as an reference point in the beginning of my post) between Asgard-space and Earth-space doesn't follow the normal rules of space-time . Hence why despite being big enough to wrap up the whole planet within its coils while in the Void , the Midgard Serpent was still small enough for Thor to use a mouth-fitting bull to fish it off from Earth . This is why the Serpent is , in proportion to Thor , roughly as big as what a Pleistocene era sea monster would be in comparison to a normal man.

 

To sum it up: This feat is far less impressive than what its been made out to be. Its not even close to planetary-level strength. Hell I don't even use that scan for Thor anymore and Thor has way more impressive strength feats than that, like the World Train Engine. But that was when Thor already surpassed Wonder Man easily.

 

Regardless, Journey into Mystery #92. Thor knocks over the Leaning Tower of Pisa by tapping it lightly with his finger. Ergo, you're wrong.

 

Um....Any 90 tonner can do that...I would put money down that Namor can easily do that.

 

Hell here's the Thing holds up a oil rig.

 

And the Thing is no where near 100 tons. Probably only 80 tons. So I don't know why you're trying to act all macho.

 

Anyways back to the match.

[The Void]

It is impressive, given the rest of his tech. One hit from Doomsday is still superior to most of what Rand can do.

 

Can the tech withstand multiple barrages of it? Because is known for his blitzes...

[C.T.]

Ugh really? Ok. I'll just say it. You're wrong. Thor was not a 90 tonner. Namor was not a 90 tonner. Wonder Man possibly might have been.

[C.T.]

 

 

Can the tech withstand multiple barrages of it? Because is known for his blitzes...

 

Can he blitz a flying opponent?

[The Void]

Can he blitz a flying opponent?

 

I believe so, but it depends on how high they are flying. I know this is not a good example. But here he was able to completely destroy an aircraft with on blow in the sky.

 

Edited:

[C.T.]

Um.

 

That was not a jump. Iron Fist just got tossed by someone, Cage probably.

 

Given that he said "I hate him tossing me."

[The Void]

Um.

 

That was not a jump. Iron Fist just got tossed by someone, Cage probably.

 

Given that he said "I hate him tossing me."

 

My bad I didn't see it.

[C.T.]

Then I would suggest a new pair of glasses.

 

In any case, I have not seen any evidence Iron Fist can blitz a flier or even hit him, short of being tossed.

[AVP vs The Terminator]

I don't care about the Midgard Serpent feat, lol. If I wanted all that information, I'd have asked for it.

 

Oh, and okay, apparently 90-tonners can knock over objects that weigh several thousand metric tons by tapping them with their freaking fingers. Makes sense. One question though, exactly what point are you trying to prove? That 90-tonners are actually multi-thousand tonners? Seriously, if you're trying to claim that classic Thor can only lift 90 tons, I fear for your health.

 

Oh, and if I wanted to feel macho I'd go lift some weights or beat up some homeless people or something. Blatant ignorance just annoys me.

[The Void]

I don't care about the Midgard Serpent feat, lol. If I wanted all that information, I'd have asked for it.

 

Oh, and okay, apparently 90-tonners can knock over objects that weigh several thousand metric tons by tapping them with their freaking fingers. Makes sense. One question though, exactly what point are you trying to prove? That 90-tonners are actually multi-thousand tonners? Seriously, if you're trying to claim that classic Thor can only lift 90 tons, I fear for your health.

 

Oh, and if I wanted to feel macho I'd go lift some weights or beat up some homeless people or something. Blatant ignorance just annoys me.

You're the one who brought up the Midgard serpent and I dismissed it. Simple. What does Thor knocking over the leaning tower prove? Thor did NOT LIFT IT, he only pushed it over it. Also the fact that the tower was already leaning.

 

No I am not saying that that 90 tonners are multi-thousands tonners if you actually read my post clearly. I'm saying that Thor knocking over the leaning tower is irrevelant. That's like me knocking over already leaning huge tree and saying I can lift.

 

Seriously again...If you read my post than you would k now I said Thor been surpassed Wonder Man in his classic days, meaning he wasn't limited to 90 tons but only in his classic days.. -__- Don't believe? Than look up his Marvel handbook from the 60s...

[Indolent]

Okay Mister wiseguy then you would know the feat is not that great. Anyways lets begin..

 

What Thor did in that scan , and what a number of people have passed it to be , is similar to the claim that Superman is capable of blowing planets with his heat vision, or holding them in his hand , based on these scans , where he is in the New Gods world, interacting with the normal(mainstream DC) universe . Similar statements regarding the New Gods can be made as well , based on this scaling up phenomenon:

http://i1050.photobu...zps59c3c6ec.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps002c572f.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps736115c0.jpg

 

Now , to begin with , the Serpent crush Earth in normal space , it went into the Void(notice its size in Asgard-space , nowhere near continent , country or even city wide) :

 

Again , here the Serpent is mentioned to be in its ethereal form , in the regular Earth-Space:

 

That's why , as Thor mentions here , he'll have to venture to Asgard to deal with the Serpent there , as it was crushing Earth in normal space:

http://i1050.photobu...zps3c3f3063.png

 

Once there , Thor Persuade Hamir the Giant to help him travel by the former's ship to the Void between Earth and Asgard and uses the Hamir's Bull as a bait to fish out the Serpent:

http://i1050.photobu...zps1a6abccb.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps5ef9ab84.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zpseb5466eb.jpg

 

Now that all concerned parties are in the Void , its made clear that the Serpent is nowhere near continent sized(let alone of planetary proportions) . In fact its of normal monstrous proportions relative to even Thor himself:

http://i1050.photobu...zps10bf5c53.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zps82734071.jpg

http://i1050.photobu...zpse2caffdd.jpg

 

In fact it is stated by the narrative here that in the Void , space and time don't operate normally:

 

Within the context of Thor # 327(in which the above discussed feat takes place) , the Void(like the differently scaled New Gods Dimension that I showed as an reference point in the beginning of my post) between Asgard-space and Earth-space doesn't follow the normal rules of space-time . Hence why despite being big enough to wrap up the whole planet within its coils while in the Void , the Midgard Serpent was still small enough for Thor to use a mouth-fitting bull to fish it off from Earth . This is why the Serpent is , in proportion to Thor , roughly as big as what a Pleistocene era sea monster would be in comparison to a normal man.

 

To sum it up: This feat is far less impressive than what its been made out to be. Its not even close to planetary-level strength. Hell I don't even use that scan for Thor anymore and Thor has way more impressive strength feats than that, like the World Train Engine. But that was when Thor already surpassed Wonder Man easily.

 

 

 

Um....Any 90 tonner can do that...I would put money down that Namor can easily do that.

 

Hell here's the Thing holds up a oil rig.

 

And the Thing is no where near 100 tons. Probably only 80 tons. So I don't know why you're trying to act all macho.

 

Anyways back to the match.

Simple deduction:

 

These feats require more than 90 tons.

 

Therefore: He's performing feats above 90 tons.

 

Even an Oil Rig is comfortably beyond 90 tons. And Thor is superior to The Thing.

[The Void]

Simple deduction:

 

These feats require more than 90 tons.

 

Therefore: He's performing feats above 90 tons.

 

1. We don't even know how much he actual form(the one that Thor pulled, not the one that was crushing Earth) weights.

2. The Thing has always been stated to be around 80 tons.

[C.T.]

And yet Thing holds up a oil rig which is far above 80 tons.