Match 11043 Darkseid vs. Super Buu

[Guest sirmethos]

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"You THINK that such and such would happen."

 

Not so much, no. I consider the various possible ways it could go, and all the possible outcomes(in this particular fight) leads to Darkseid winning.

 

Why is that? Because Buu is not capable of anything that would actually kill, or incapacitate, Darkseid(if you think I am wrong about that, then feel free to give some examples of exactly how Buu could kill, or incapacitate him).

 

 

"DS never fought anything like Super Buu."

 

That depends on what you mean by "anything like Super Buu".

 

A magical creature? Darkseid has fought, and defeated, several of those. Including demons powerful enough to destroy a planet with ease, and Elder Gods.

 

Someone with Buu's raw destructive power? Again, Demons, Elder Gods, High Father, and more. Still nothing that Darkseid hasn't faced, and defeated, in the past.

 

So, what exactly do you mean?

 

 

"So Again, I am not wrong to think he would win."

 

Yes, yes you are. Because, as I already mentioned, Buu is incapable of actually killing, or incapacitating, Darkseid, which he would have to do in order to win.

 

 

"Dude you need to seriously get over yourself. You aren't god methos, you aren't right about all things man."

 

I never claimed to be god, and I've never claimed to be right about everything. In fact, I have on numerous occasions, said that I am always willing to be swayed by facts and/or proof. If you really think I'm wrong, no problem, just put up some proof of your claims, or come up with some logical argument for why you're right. So far, you have presented neither.

 

 

"Just accept the fact that I don't care if you spout facts all day long, these are opinions all day long and we all have a right to say what we feel."

 

No, these are not "opinions". This is logic.

 

Is Buu capable of killing or incapacitating Darkseid? Looking at the capabilities of the two, the answer is no. If Buu can't kill or incapacitate Darkseid, then he can't win the fight.

 

 

"You feel I am wrong then enjoy yourself and your ego dude just do it."

 

No, I know you're wrong. And there is no ego, as said, if you can actually provide some proof to back up your claims, then I am more than willing to be convinced, but once again, you haven't provided any kind of proof.

 

 

"You aren't going to change my view, Super BUU is on this guys level."

 

Oh really?

 

Buu is capable of creating life?

 

Buu is capable of Time Travel?

 

Buu is capable of Telepathy, powerful enough to affect an entire planet?

 

Buu is capable of creating advanced technology out of thing air?

 

Buu is capable of erasing en opponent from existence, to the point where the opponent never existed?

 

Buu is capable of physically moving a planet, by the sheer force of his mind?

 

If the answer to even 1 of those is "no", then no, he is not on Darkseid's level.

 

 

If you honestly believe that Buu is on Darkseid's level, then at least give some justification for it. As said, if you can actually back your claims up with proof, then I'm more than willing to be convinced.

 

 

"You can't prove he s not"

 

I already did.

 

It's a simple matter of listing their respective capabilities, and comparing them. In this case, Buu falls sorely short.

 

 

"you can't predict what would REALLY happen because none of us know truly!"

 

Partially true. I can't predict the specific course of action, but I can predict the eventual outcome. Again, it's a simple matter of comparing the capabilities of the two characters, with the added factor of their personalities(Darkseid's first general course of action, is to launch his Omega Blast, in order to erase his opponent from existence. Buu is generally arrogant, and has been shown in the DBZ Manga, to allow his opponents initial attacks to hit him, unless he senses that they are powerful enough to destroy him, which he wouldn't in this case. End result, Buu attempts to tank the Omega Blast, and is erased from existence. Just one possible course of action).

 

And every single possible course of action, ends with Darkseid winning. Why? Because Buu is incapable of anything that would kill or incapacitate Darkseid.

 

 

"So hey...I think Buu woudl really give DS too many problems."

 

Depending on the course of action, Buu could give Darkseid problems(primarily due to his far superior speed), but giving him problems, is not even close to being the same as winning. Something that Buu is not capable of in this particular fight.

 

 

"I can live with that and you can't..good man..."

 

Not true. As I've already said, I have no problem with people having their own opinion, there is no rules or laws of any kind, against being wrong. But if you post your opinion on an open forum, you're going to be corrected when/if you are wrong. If you can't live with that, then don't post in the matches, it's not that difficult.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Good points being made and I think Sirmethos has valid points.

1. Darkseid can teleport Buu somewhere else, but you guys forgot that he knows IT and would come back. And if it's in another time then he would scream his way back

2. How is the motherbox going to help if Buu just simply blows up the planet Apokolips?

3. How me where Buu has gotten mind controlled, or even if telepathy or tk would work, when he controls his body better than Apocalypse does? Until it has been shown don't bring that up?

4. buutenks with Gohan is far superior to Ssj3 in terms of power and speed let alone energy

5. The chocolate thing is lame

6. Buu's martial arts skills mixed with Gohan and Piccolo's mind would make it so he's not as arrogant, which would prove valuable

 

No need to fight Anu or name call Sirmethos both have good points

[Guest sirmethos]

1. No, I didn't forget that Buu knows IT. Buu can 'scream' his way through dimensional walls, not through time, so using the Omega Sanction to send him through time would be more than enough. And even if it was to another dimension, he would first have to know where to go, in order to get back.

 

2. At which point did I say that the Motherbox would help against that? The Motherbox would only be of help against Buu's attempt at turning Darkseid into chocolate(or something else), or when he absorbs him.

 

3. Mind control is/would be Buu's willpower vs. Darkseid's willpower. That's not even a contest. As for TK, it would depend on how it's used. TK can could be used to rip him apart on a sub-atomic level, in which case Buu would no longer be able to regenerate(that's the same level of destruction that the Kamehameha that destroy him did on him). Aside from that, it could be used to trap him inside a force field(TK bubble). Probably not indefinitely, but long enough for an Omega Blast to hit him.

 

4. I know, what does that have to do with anything?

 

5. Not really. It's a technique that Buu has used on more than one occasion.

 

6. Buu, in this match, doesn't necessarily have neither Gohan or Piccolo absorbed. We would need a statement from the Match Creator about that. And arrogance or no arrogance, one of his main strategies against powerful opponents, is still to absorb them, and if he does that with Darkseid, then he has lost right there.

[Guest Voice of Logic]

1. Darkseid can teleport Buu somewhere else, but you guys forgot that he knows IT and would come back. And if it's in another time then he would scream his way back.

 

Buu's best bet would be be to not get hit at all. If that happens then he as a way to maybe deal with the teleporting, but what if Darkseid used it to simply wipe him from existance, or break him appart down to the molecular level?

 

2. How is the motherbox going to help if Buu just simply blows up the planet Apokolips?

 

If Buu did that, assuming that Darkseid did not just use his own matter/energy control abilities to stop it, Darkseid would still be there and even more pissed off.

 

3. How me where Buu has gotten mind controlled, or even if telepathy or tk would work, when he controls his body better than Apocalypse does? Until it has been shown don't bring that up?

 

Why would telepathy not work, where is your proof that is does not work. He has a mind, even if no brain, so his mind can be controlled.

 

4. buutenks with Gohan is far superior to Ssj3 in terms of power and speed let alone energy

 

So?

 

5. The chocolate thing is lame

 

Yes, you are correct on that one.

 

6. Buu's martial arts skills mixed with Gohan and Piccolo's mind would make it so he's not as arrogant, which would prove valuable.

 

That would still not give him the ability to win.

 

It comes down to this:

 

Buu can not matter control Darkseid because of both the Motherbox and his own better matter control.

 

Buu can not use his energy blasts because Darkseid has better energy control and would just stop it.

 

Buu can not beat him physically because he is simply not powerful enough. He is definitely fast enough to land hits, it is just that those hits will not be strong enough to beat Darkseid.

 

Logic has spoken.

[Guest anu]

Amazing how this did not take off until I got in here. Wow..a thread isnt a thread unless I get in it. Then here comes the hatred, cursing, slander and threats on my life. Wow...

 

Overall, nobody is wrong to feel somebody can win, Buus on another level that darkseid can't handle. So for the love of TV dinners and rice cakes understand the universe is one with all the pickles and spinach that brings understanding in situations like this. Buu isn't even something solid that Darkseid can hit, he's out of his league.

 

Enjoy the cream soda.

[Guest silversurfer092]

I am not wrong, you just think i am because of your opinion thats all. I am not wrong. Who knows what would REALLY happen? This is why you don't deal with reality. You THINK that such and such would happen. DS never fought anything like Super Buu. So Again, I am not wrong to think he would win. Dude you need to seriously get over yourself. You aren't god methos, you aren't right about all things man. Just accept the fact that I don't care if you spout facts all day long, these are opinions all day long and we all have a right to say what we feel. You feel I am wrong then enjoy yourself and your ego dude just do it. You want to walk around as if you are the smartest person in the world hey feel good, do you thing. I am happy for you, just accept and respect other people and how they feel is all. You can't let it go. You aren't going to change my view, Super BUU is on this guys level. you can't prove he s not you can't predict what would REALLY happen because none of us know truly! So hey...I think Buu woudl really give DS too many problems. I can live with that and you can't..good man...enjoy your coffee. Have fun!

 

Just another reason why Anu is doing this all wrong. Okay, I agree with you about opinions. Yeah, you can use opinions on this site. I do it all the time. That's why I almost always vote for Batman. I think he's cooler than everyone else. It's why I'll always vote for Aunt May because god damn, her cookies can kill ayone. However, in a fight, there is no opinion. If I see Kimbo Slice fighting my friend in an alley and I see Kimbo Slice knock him the *vulgarity* out, I'm not going to say "I think my friend is winning. That's my opinion". Why? Because facts say that Kimbo Slice won. Like here, you can't really use opinion in an objective debate. You can't do it. If it was subjective, then yeah, by all means, use opinions.

 

Also, I'm 99% sure that no one has threatened your life on this thread.

 

PS: Anu, I stalk all of your posts. They entertain me. Thanks for being you.

[C.T.]

Amazing how this did not take off until I got in here. Wow..a thread isnt a thread unless I get in it.

 

Talk about delusions of grandeur.

[Guest just visiting]

Amazing how this did not take off until I got in here. Wow..a thread isnt a thread unless I get in it. Then here comes the hatred, cursing, slander and threats on my life. Wow...

 

Overall, nobody is wrong to feel somebody can win, Buus on another level that darkseid can't handle. So for the love of TV dinners and rice cakes understand the universe is one with all the pickles and spinach that brings understanding in situations like this. Buu isn't even something solid that Darkseid can hit, he's out of his league.

 

Enjoy the cream soda.

 

I just want to say I thoroughly love your insanity and delusion. Keep it coming whenever you feel, this is the entertainment I miss on this site... Just don't take it to a Kanye West trolling level.

[Guest sirmethos]

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"Then here comes the hatred, cursing, slander and threats on my life."

 

And yet, there hasn't been any of that.

 

 

"Overall, nobody is wrong to feel somebody can win,"

 

Not true.

 

To give you an example: A fight is created, Superman vs. Spider-Man. Now, we all know that Superman would win that. You might be of the opinion that Spider-Man would win, but you would be wrong.

 

 

"Buus on another level that darkseid can't handle."

 

No, he really isn't. Darkseid has defeated, and killed, several beings who are far more powerful than Buu could ever hope to be.

 

 

"Buu isn't even something solid that Darkseid can hit"

 

Not true, Buu is very much solid. That's why he was actually hurt when Vegito(in the form of a small chocolate) was physically pummeling him.

 

 

"he's out of his league."[/u]

 

Darkseid is out of Buu's league, yes. Buu has nothing in his repertoire that can kill, or incapacitate, Darkseid. While Darkseid has plenty of things in his repertoire that can both hurt, incapacitate, or even kill Buu.

[Guest anu]

Since Methos does not deal with logic I wont respond to his posts, we never agree and that is just the way things are. So perhaps a chocoloate chip cookie and some warm cow blood will perhaps soften his deal with reality itself. Methos i wish you a good life for the most part because you don't live I think you dont want to live and just breathe nothing but computerchips and hypermethanicgrillshotdoganchoviegreaselacedwithmercury...only you can survive this. Yet your logic most always is flawed and its not worth getting into you with it because you again refuse to change. You are a computer, you couldn't be human and probably never go outside for the most part. You are on here every day, following people and psychologically obsessed with proving yourself right. I don't know how many people you have tied up in a basement yet I hope they escape or are set free due to your evil.

 

You don't like cookies, you don't eat meat and probably only like wheatgrass. Or protein powder.

 

Do you know that protein powder actually helps you levitate if you mix it with peanut butter? Try it methos...then again you are braniac on roids...

 

Not trying to insult you or anything I just think you are seriously obsessed with trying to be right all the time when flat out you arent a wizard of the universe sir. You aren't. You think that any character can win that you like simple as that. A supporter of DC and no other. You don't like Aunt Jemima syrup, you are an evil evil person. Why can't you breathe for once and not be so totalitarian? Do you work for the socialist governent? YOU DO!!!

 

You have wings, you can fly and probably practice magick don't you? A DBZ charcter has levels of power like a god, you don't have to believe it, one universe versus another. I am not wrong heck Super Buu could get inside the body of Darkside and turn into that pulp or whatever and give him a bad case of stomach flu or something. Darkseid can't digest Buu, therefore defeating him. Darkseid is too slow, not intelligent enough and hasn't studied fighting technique! Hand to hand he has not the SKILLS that can defeat Buu.

 

Methos discover green tea, discover chocolate, unplug from the matrix that has you, you are floating in a pod with wires connected to you and you are working for the agents. You aren't human, you might try to do that sir, it CAN be done. Just go outside, breathe and look at an ant crawl...you will then understand the human race.

[Guest anu]

Talk about delusions of grandeur.

 

Jealous again nova? Yes you are. You hate it when people don't talk about you right? Sniff the sweet smell of motor oil, your mind will grow sir it will!

[Guest just visiting]

Since Methos does not deal with logic I wont respond to his posts, we never agree and that is just the way things are. So perhaps a chocoloate chip cookie and some warm cow blood will perhaps soften his deal with reality itself. Methos i wish you a good life for the most part because you don't live I think you dont want to live and just breathe nothing but computerchips and hypermethanicgrillshotdoganchoviegreaselacedwithmercury...only you can survive this. Yet your logic most always is flawed and its not worth getting into you with it because you again refuse to change. You are a computer, you couldn't be human and probably never go outside for the most part. You are on here every day, following people and psychologically obsessed with proving yourself right. I don't know how many people you have tied up in a basement yet I hope they escape or are set free due to your evil.

 

You don't like cookies, you don't eat meat and probably only like wheatgrass. Or protein powder.

 

Do you know that protein powder actually helps you levitate if you mix it with peanut butter? Try it methos...then again you are braniac on roids...

 

Not trying to insult you or anything I just think you are seriously obsessed with trying to be right all the time when flat out you arent a wizard of the universe sir. You aren't. You think that any character can win that you like simple as that. A supporter of DC and no other. You don't like Aunt Jemima syrup, you are an evil evil person. Why can't you breathe for once and not be so totalitarian? Do you work for the socialist governent? YOU DO!!!

 

You have wings, you can fly and probably practice magick don't you? A DBZ charcter has levels of power like a god, you don't have to believe it, one universe versus another. I am not wrong heck Super Buu could get inside the body of Darkside and turn into that pulp or whatever and give him a bad case of stomach flu or something. Darkseid can't digest Buu, therefore defeating him. Darkseid is too slow, not intelligent enough and hasn't studied fighting technique! Hand to hand he has not the SKILLS that can defeat Buu.

 

Methos discover green tea, discover chocolate, unplug from the matrix that has you, you are floating in a pod with wires connected to you and you are working for the agents. You aren't human, you might try to do that sir, it CAN be done. Just go outside, breathe and look at an ant crawl...you will then understand the human race.

 

Now why are you attacking everyone on here like you apparently wish we'd attack you? I love a good fire starter, but a common internet troll and flamer I really don't like. Either learn to talk and debate like a semi mature human being or take your food fetishes and leave the site

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Enough about calling people out, it's a cartoon no big deal right? Buu being Super Buu w/o Gohan or Piccolo or even the kids is still powerful. He is able to create force fields, scream through dimensions, which in the show it was implied that he could destroy all dimensions. He is not slower than Darkseid, please post him being able to fight even remotely close to Dbz speed!!

 

Anyway Buu loses unless Buu absorbs a prarademon gaining knowledge about Daekseid and absorbing something or someone useful. Plus what's to stop Buu from blowing up a planet, he does in the show with no hesitation

 

[Guest sirmethos]

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"Since Methos does not deal with logic I wont respond to his posts,"

 

Quite the contrary, I use logic to reach all of my conclusions in the various CBUB matches.

 

 

"Yet your logic most always is flawed and its not worth getting into you with it"

 

Hehe, oh really? And where, exactly, is the flaw in my logic?

 

Buu is not capable of incapacitating, let alone killing, Darkseid. Darkseid on the other hand, has plenty of ways in which he could(easily) kill Buu. Logic says that Darkseid wins.

 

 

"Not trying to insult you or anything I just think you are seriously obsessed with trying to be right all the time when flat out you arent a wizard of the universe sir. You aren't."

 

And I have never claimed that I am always right. Quite the contrary, I have on several occasions in the past, even once or twice in this thread, said that I am always willing to be convinced by proof, or logical arguments. But so far, you have provided neither.

 

 

"You think that any character can win that you like simple as that."

 

Again, quite the contrary. Most of the characters that I debate for/support, in the various CBUB matches, are characters that I find boring and flat, or that I outright dislike. Primarily due to DC's tendency to overpower a lot of their characters, without giving them a personality and/or story that is interesting enough to make up for it(though there are exceptions, Lucifer Morningstar is a brilliant example of the exceptions). A tendency that Marvel has been going with as well lately.

 

"A supporter of DC and no other."

 

Once again, not true. I support the most likely winner of the match, nothing more, nothing less.

 

I actually used to support the DBZ characters in most matches, until a few flaws in my beliefs about them(primarily about their speed) was pointed out.

 

Put a DBZ character in a fight that he would actually win, and I'll be one of the people debating for them. However, people(fanboys in particular) have a tendency to over-estimate the capabilities of the DBZ characters, and put them in matches where they are way out of their league.

 

 

"A DBZ charcter has levels of power like a god, you don't have to believe it, one universe versus another."

 

Well, that's partially true. it depends on the God.

 

If you compare them to Ares from Marvel, then the DBZ characters are far more powerful. But if you compare them to Gods like Darkseid, High Father, Odin or Zeus from Marvel, or even Thor from Marvel, then the DBZ characters aren't even close to the same level of power.

 

 

"I am not wrong heck Super Buu could get inside the body of Darkside and turn into that pulp or whatever and give him a bad case of stomach flu or something."

 

1. Yes, you are wrong.

 

2. That's partially true. It's true that Buu could probably get inside Darkseid's body, since his speed is, as I've already pointed out more than once, far superior to Darkseid's, but that's about it.

 

"Darkseid can't digest Buu, therefore defeating him."

 

Again, partially true. While Darkseid can't digest Buu as he is, Buu being inside Darkseid's body, would make him a far easier target for most of his powers. Darkseid could easily use his Matter Manipulation, to transform Buu into something that he can easily digest. Chocolate, would be an ironic choice.

 

"Darkseid is too slow, not intelligent enough and hasn't studied fighting technique! Hand to hand he has not the SKILLS that can defeat Buu."

 

1. True, Buu's speed is far superior to Darkseid's.

 

2. Not true. Darkseid is one of the most intelligent beings in the DC multiverse.

 

3. Not true, Darkseid is a highly skilled fighter, and has defeated several high-skill warriors in hand to hand combat(Orion, being a good example).

 

4. True, despite Darkseid's skills, he isn't skilled enough to physically beat Buu. But none of the ways that he could(easily) kill Buu, require any kind of hand to hand combat. Nor does the majority of Buu's techniques. So that is a moot point.

 

 

"Buu being Super Buu w/o Gohan or Piccolo or even the kids is still powerful."

 

That's true, and no one has said otherwise.

 

 

"He is able to create force fields, scream through dimensions, which in the show it was implied that he could destroy all dimensions."

 

Mostly true. It was never implied that "he could destroy all dimensions". He created a minor hole in the dimensional barrier, nothing more, nothing less.

 

 

"He is not slower than Darkseid, please post him being able to fight even remotely close to Dbz speed!!"

 

When, exactly, has anyone claimed that Buu is slower than Darkseid? Quite the contrary, I have pointed out, on more than one occasion, that Buu is far faster than Darkseid.

 

"Anyway Buu loses unless Buu absorbs a prarademon gaining knowledge about Daekseid and absorbing something or someone useful."

 

Mostly true. Absorbing a Parademon wouldn't make any difference.

 

 

"Plus what's to stop Buu from blowing up a planet, he does in the show with no hesitation"

 

You mean aside from Darkseid's energy manipulation, that would simply take Buu's attack and turn it against himself?

[Guest Djgambrell]

Can you show Darkseid actually using his energy manipulation to turn an energy attack around. You probably can I just haven't seen it.

 

Also about the absorbtion. Think it might have a small chance of working depending on how Buu goes about it. Like how he separated a part of himself and got to Gotenks from behind. Also if he doesn't screw around when he does it. Like when absorbing Gotenks he did it slowly to piss off Gohan.

 

Lastly I believe while Darkseid has all the right to be confident in this match if he did I think it would be a bad thing. Like when he's underestimated his opponents example: Batman.

[Guest Pymp]

Sirmethos, if speed is a factor, in any fight, how would Buu lose if he has unlimited stamina and can travel faster in both fighting and flying? Outer Space is not a factor and neither is needing to breathe or eat? If this is Buu that "found" Darkseid's planet, he would use the Human Extinction Tech (aimed at all lesser Parademon's) and kill his army. He then would send a planet busting technique to end the planet, then sure Darkseid can survive that, but he would just float there forever... We hear matter manipulation a lot, and assume that Darkseid can re-direct or absorb enery, well thats cool, but it's a cop out from most of you claiming that is all he needs to do to win. If so, Goku can absorb energy and re-direct it, and so can Buu( he pushed pure energy (Spirit Bomb)) back to Goku and it should have hurt him according to Goku's explanation when it was used on Frieza.

 

Food for thought, Darkseid might be more powerful, but Buu is like silly puddy that can bend, form and reform over and over again. Using his Omega Beams should be nulled as this prob takes place outside of DC universe, but what do I know.

[Guest Sid]

I've been saving this for a long time. But I've finally found it. Anu, you are the most ignorant person I have ever seen on this website. I've combed long and hard over every inch of the forums for some poor soul dumb enough to recieve this title. After a while, I thought my dreams would be realized, and that noone would ever have to take the title. Alas, then I met you. At first, I couldn't bring myself to believe it. I would see your posts and be like, "oh, he's obviously trolling. Noone can be THAT much of a blatant fanboy." But as time went on, I realized that you were the one. So, with the last few moments of my life, I bestow the title upon you. My life's journey is complete. I must die now. I only have a few moments left, so I wanted to say congratul-

[C.T.]

 

 

Jealous again nova? Yes you are. You hate it when people don't talk about you right? Sniff the sweet smell of motor oil, your mind will grow sir it will!

 

Damn right. I'm jealous of your ignorance, with it, life must be so blissful. Ha, I think I have you figured out. The moment you realize you're outclassed intellectually, you just start tuning everyone out to listen to your own voice calling everyone else out. My feelings about you last 5 seconds, ranging from pity, sadness, and eventually gratitude. This is a good bit of advance homework for my psych class. I'll sniff that motor oil, it smells good.

[Guest sirmethos]

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"Sirmethos, if speed is a factor, in any fight, how would Buu lose if he has unlimited stamina and can travel faster in both fighting and flying?"

 

Because, 1. Buu isn't going to be continuously flying around at top speed, dodging everything Darkseid throws at him. Going with his actual personality and standard M.O. he is going to absorb Darkseid once he realizes how powerful Darkseid is, at which point, he is no longer capable of dodging Darkseid's attacks. 2. Darkseid has proven capable of hitting opponents that are blitz attacking him(at speeds faster than Buu is capable of). Which means, that either way, he(Buu) will eventually get hit by Darkseid's attacks. Either because he has absorbed Darkseid, or because he attacks him.

 

 

"Outer Space is not a factor and neither is needing to breathe or eat?"

 

True. But then again, no one has ever claimed that outer space was a factor in this fight.

 

 

"If this is Buu that "found" Darkseid's planet, he would use the Human Extinction Tech (aimed at all lesser Parademon's) and kill his army."

 

That's true, but if you actually read the setup, it was Darkseid that sought out Buu, not the other way around. They are not fighting on Apokolips, so that theory is useless.

 

 

"He then would send a planet busting technique to end the planet, then sure Darkseid can survive that, but he would just float there forever..."

 

Except for the fact that Darkseid is a high-end Energy Manipulator, and could easily either 1. redirect Buu's "planet busting attack", either to hit Buu himself, or just away from the planet. or 2. create force field powerful enough to protect the planet from the attack. But again, since they are not fighting on Apokolips, That line of thought is useless.

 

 

"We hear matter manipulation a lot, and assume that Darkseid can re-direct or absorb enery, well thats cool, but it's a cop out from most of you claiming that is all he needs to do to win."

 

Not so much, no. Matter Manipulation is the only thing Darkseid needs to win. Evil Buu killed Good Buu, by turning him into chocolate and eating him. Darkseid could, with his matter manipulation, easily turn Buu into something equally harmless, then simply blast the new harmless Buu out of existence.

 

 

"If so, Goku can absorb energy and re-direct it, and so can Buu( he pushed pure energy (Spirit Bomb)) back to Goku and it should have hurt him according to Goku's explanation when it was used on Frieza."

 

Uh, not so much, no. Goku, and Buu, are not energy absorbers, nor energy manipulators(aside from their own Ki). Pushing the attack back, was simply a matter of over-powering it, and using his own energy to deflect it. Not quite the same thing.

 

 

"Food for thought, Darkseid might be more powerful, but Buu is like silly puddy that can bend, form and reform over and over again."

 

Food for thought, Darkseid can, through Matter Manipulation, turn Buu into whatever he wants, which effectively counters and nullifies Buu's ability to "bend form and reform". Not to mention simply disintegrating him on a sub-atomic level, or completely erasing him from existence.

 

 

" Using his Omega Beams should be nulled as this prob takes place outside of DC universe"

 

Oh really, and why is that? Because Darkseid gets the Omega Blast energy from another dimension?

 

Then I suppose you're willing to nullify Buu's ability to use Instant Transmission as well, as this doesn't take place in the DBZ universe either. After all, IT works by moving the user into another dimension where he/she can then move to the new location instantly, before moving back to 'normal space' again.

 

I have absolutely no problem with that. Darkseid don't really need the Omega Blasts in this fight, since he still has Matter Manipulation, Telekinesis, Telepathy, Life Creation, Avatar Creation, Empowerment, Molecular Disintegration, etc. etc.

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"Sirmethos, if speed is a factor, in any fight, how would Buu lose if he has unlimited stamina and can travel faster in both fighting and flying?"

 

Because, 1. Buu isn't going to be continuously flying around at top speed, dodging everything Darkseid throws at him. Going with his actual personality and standard M.O. he is going to absorb Darkseid once he realizes how powerful Darkseid is, at which point, he is no longer capable of dodging Darkseid's attacks. 2. Darkseid has proven capable of hitting opponents that are blitz attacking him(at speeds faster than Buu is capable of). Which means, that either way, he(Buu) will eventually get hit by Darkseid's attacks. Either because he has absorbed Darkseid, or because he attacks him.

 

 

"Outer Space is not a factor and neither is needing to breathe or eat?"

 

True. But then again, no one has ever claimed that outer space was a factor in this fight.

 

 

"If this is Buu that "found" Darkseid's planet, he would use the Human Extinction Tech (aimed at all lesser Parademon's) and kill his army."

 

That's true, but if you actually read the setup, it was Darkseid that sought out Buu, not the other way around. They are not fighting on Apokolips, so that theory is useless.

 

 

"He then would send a planet busting technique to end the planet, then sure Darkseid can survive that, but he would just float there forever..."

 

Except for the fact that Darkseid is a high-end Energy Manipulator, and could easily either 1. redirect Buu's "planet busting attack", either to hit Buu himself, or just away from the planet. or 2. create force field powerful enough to protect the planet from the attack. But again, since they are not fighting on Apokolips, That line of thought is useless.

 

 

"We hear matter manipulation a lot, and assume that Darkseid can re-direct or absorb enery, well thats cool, but it's a cop out from most of you claiming that is all he needs to do to win."

 

Not so much, no. Matter Manipulation is the only thing Darkseid needs to win. Evil Buu killed Good Buu, by turning him into chocolate and eating him. Darkseid could, with his matter manipulation, easily turn Buu into something equally harmless, then simply blast the new harmless Buu out of existence.

 

 

"If so, Goku can absorb energy and re-direct it, and so can Buu( he pushed pure energy (Spirit Bomb)) back to Goku and it should have hurt him according to Goku's explanation when it was used on Frieza."

 

Uh, not so much, no. Goku, and Buu, are not energy absorbers, nor energy manipulators(aside from their own Ki). Pushing the attack back, was simply a matter of over-powering it, and using his own energy to deflect it. Not quite the same thing.

 

 

"Food for thought, Darkseid might be more powerful, but Buu is like silly puddy that can bend, form and reform over and over again."

 

Food for thought, Darkseid can, through Matter Manipulation, turn Buu into whatever he wants, which effectively counters and nullifies Buu's ability to "bend form and reform". Not to mention simply disintegrating him on a sub-atomic level, or completely erasing him from existence.

 

 

" Using his Omega Beams should be nulled as this prob takes place outside of DC universe"

 

Oh really, and why is that? Because Darkseid gets the Omega Blast energy from another dimension?

 

Then I suppose you're willing to nullify Buu's ability to use Instant Transmission as well, as this doesn't take place in the DBZ universe either. After all, IT works by moving the user into another dimension where he/she can then move to the new location instantly, before moving back to 'normal space' again.

 

I have absolutely no problem with that. Darkseid don't really need the Omega Blasts in this fight, since he still has Matter Manipulation, Telekinesis, Telepathy, Life Creation, Avatar Creation, Empowerment, Molecular Disintegration, etc. etc.

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"Sirmethos, if speed is a factor, in any fight, how would Buu lose if he has unlimited stamina and can travel faster in both fighting and flying?"

 

Because, 1. Buu isn't going to be continuously flying around at top speed, dodging everything Darkseid throws at him. Going with his actual personality and standard M.O. he is going to absorb Darkseid once he realizes how powerful Darkseid is, at which point, he is no longer capable of dodging Darkseid's attacks. 2. Darkseid has proven capable of hitting opponents that are blitz attacking him(at speeds faster than Buu is capable of). Which means, that either way, he(Buu) will eventually get hit by Darkseid's attacks. Either because he has absorbed Darkseid, or because he attacks him.

 

 

"Outer Space is not a factor and neither is needing to breathe or eat?"

 

True. But then again, no one has ever claimed that outer space was a factor in this fight.

 

 

"If this is Buu that "found" Darkseid's planet, he would use the Human Extinction Tech (aimed at all lesser Parademon's) and kill his army."

 

That's true, but if you actually read the setup, it was Darkseid that sought out Buu, not the other way around. They are not fighting on Apokolips, so that theory is useless.

 

 

"He then would send a planet busting technique to end the planet, then sure Darkseid can survive that, but he would just float there forever..."

 

Except for the fact that Darkseid is a high-end Energy Manipulator, and could easily either 1. redirect Buu's "planet busting attack", either to hit Buu himself, or just away from the planet. or 2. create force field powerful enough to protect the planet from the attack. But again, since they are not fighting on Apokolips, That line of thought is useless.

 

 

"We hear matter manipulation a lot, and assume that Darkseid can re-direct or absorb enery, well thats cool, but it's a cop out from most of you claiming that is all he needs to do to win."

 

Not so much, no. Matter Manipulation is the only thing Darkseid needs to win. Evil Buu killed Good Buu, by turning him into chocolate and eating him. Darkseid could, with his matter manipulation, easily turn Buu into something equally harmless, then simply blast the new harmless Buu out of existence.

 

 

"If so, Goku can absorb energy and re-direct it, and so can Buu( he pushed pure energy (Spirit Bomb)) back to Goku and it should have hurt him according to Goku's explanation when it was used on Frieza."

 

Uh, not so much, no. Goku, and Buu, are not energy absorbers, nor energy manipulators(aside from their own Ki). Pushing the attack back, was simply a matter of over-powering it, and using his own energy to deflect it. Not quite the same thing.

 

 

"Food for thought, Darkseid might be more powerful, but Buu is like silly puddy that can bend, form and reform over and over again."

 

Food for thought, Darkseid can, through Matter Manipulation, turn Buu into whatever he wants, which effectively counters and nullifies Buu's ability to "bend form and reform". Not to mention simply disintegrating him on a sub-atomic level, or completely erasing him from existence.

 

 

" Using his Omega Beams should be nulled as this prob takes place outside of DC universe"

 

Oh really, and why is that? Because Darkseid gets the Omega Blast energy from another dimension?

 

Then I suppose you're willing to nullify Buu's ability to use Instant Transmission as well, as this doesn't take place in the DBZ universe either. After all, IT works by moving the user into another dimension where he/she can then move to the new location instantly, before moving back to 'normal space' again.

 

I have absolutely no problem with that. Darkseid don't really need the Omega Blasts in this fight, since he still has Matter Manipulation, Telekinesis, Telepathy, Life Creation, Avatar Creation, Empowerment, Molecular Disintegration, etc. etc.

 

Just a random thought.... Why the hell doesn't Darkseid kill Superman with all of this power he has!!!!!!!!!!!

 

P.S. - just had to vent some of my Superman hatred; I'm better now

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You see the little link in my signature, where it says "clicky", I've explained the reason for that, in the thread that that link leads to.

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

Even so Buu does move around at top speeds when fighting, if to see or read about it, most of the time they move faster than people can see. I get your point, but again show me where Darkseid has made a planet wide shield!! But since I figured it was on Apokolips I am wrong here, but Buu blows himself up a lot so it's not out of the question for him to blow himself up anywhere.

 

Also capabilities and actually used techniques on the norm are different. Such as Darkseid losing to Batman Gould not be considered and so neither should creating life, I mean any life Darkseid makes is pointless anyway( meaning he would create life that is no more than cannon fodder)

I get your point and simply addressing others.

Super Buu would pose more of a threat since he can heal better than Logan or Hulk, and been blasted by heavy hitters like Thor and etc..

[Guest sirmethos]

Uh, no. Not "any life that Darkseid could create" is cannon fodder.

 

One of the examples of a lifeform he has created, was Brimstone, that even JLA had trouble defeating. When you combine that, with his(Darkseid's) ability to empower others(i.e. give them new powers, or enhance the ones they already have), and Darkseid could definitely create a lifeform that would be a factor.

 

As for "creating a planet wide shield", why, exactly, would that be necessary? As far as I know, Buu's planet destroyer technique, is far from as big as a planet. A small localized force field would be more than enough to either block, or better yet, deflect the attack(since deflecting it would require less raw energy in the shield). Opening a Boom Tube for the attack to go through, would also work just fine.

 

As for Darkseid hitting someone blitz attacking him. I'll dig up a scan or two later(my ADD is acting up atm, so I don't have the attention span necessary to dig through my comics right now). Just remind me if I forget about it(I know roughly where it is, so once I have the necessary attention span, it's not particularly difficult to find).

[Guest Dr. Pymp(mex)]

No worries Sirmethos, I understand there are times when he does punch speedsters, not saying that, but I do think as some have stated that it was pis or comic mechanics, but being so, it is always assumed that he has that speed. The times Darkseid has hit Superman is mostly hen Superman is being dumb and just doing attacks, instead of him using his speed. Simply saying that the times he has hit people, the comic writer made them slower not him faster.

 

Darkseid absorbing energy is fine, but he has to do something like a least a gesture of the hand, but I know that Superman and others have hit him with energy and it not been absorbed. Point being that if Buu hits him, it might hurt or definitely have knock back properties at least. Mixed with his Dhalsim like style of fighting and his rubbery body, he would be like Plastic Man but better as Buu can mimic attacks, increase his chi, by blowing steam out to increase his power and has unlimited stamina.

 

He can def put up a fight is all I am saying. By the way how do you feel about Walking Dead, the comic and the show?