Coalition Of Mankind

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Well, it's my first topic that relates to anything similar to a match in awhile. Soon, I hope to get back into the habit of writing matches...But, for now, this is what I have to offer: a basic bare-bones situation. Since I'm dealing with fictional factions that pique the interests of certain peoples (Skirmisher, Ruinus, RakaiThwei) I'd love any pointers on how to add clarity to this match, if it's too vague to begin with.

 

So, here goes:

--

 

The Beyonder, in all his omnipotent glory, had grown bored of the wiles of uniquely powered individuals known collectively as "superheroes." Instead, he turned his attention to the race of Humans as a whole, looking into both future and past to witness Mankind's accomplishments. He noticed, with eccentric glee, the many trials and tribulations the species suffered as time progressed, against themselves, and against foreign species.

 

His power, reaching beyond this universe, was able to peer onto other Human civilizations, in other realities. They suffered many of the same maladies wich plagued the Humans of the universe in which he currently resided. Called to act by what he had seen, his influence spread outwards, encompassing trillions of beings from a smattering of dimensions.

 

Collectively, he brought them together into a super-galaxy, sealed off from the rest of existance. A galaxy in which a nearly endless amount of raw resources on which these beings could draw upon resided. The multiple Human civilizations he placed on one side, the myriad of Xeno races on the other. He said to each race in turn, appearing before every individual member of the collective species, that they must fight for their survival. One Coalition must win out, no matter how long it takes, for to the Beyonder, time is nothing but a flow of ethereal energy which could be reversed, sped up, or otherwise manipulated as easily as a Terran turns on the focet.

 

And so, the die cast, each Coalition takes a tentative step forward, much to the Beyonder's satisfaction.

 

--

 

Basically, it's All Humans vs. All aliens. Here are the collective Fictional empires that are warring:

 

Humans:

The Imperium of Man (Current)

The Galactic Republic (Star Wars' Clone Wars)

The Federation (Star Trek)

UNSC (Halo) (All Human Forces, even the Insurrectionists) (At the Height of their power, Spartans Included)

Weyland-Yutani Corp (Basically all of the Alien-In-Universe Human civilizations)

The Galactic Empire (I know, two Star Wars armadas...this also includes The Rebellion)

Terran Federation (Starship Troopers)

MechWarriors (

)

 

 

 

Xenos:

Tau Empire (Warhammer)

Necrons (Warhammer)

Tyranids (Warhammer)

The Eldar (And Dark Eldar) (Warhammer)

Orks (Warhammer)

The Covenant (Halo)

The Flood (Halo)

CIS (Star Wars)

Xenomorphs (Alien)

Yautja (Predator)

Bugs (Starship Troopers)

Martians (The War of The Worlds)

Replicators (Stargate)

--

 

Important Notes:

 

The Goal for each Coalition is to exterminate the other. None may survive.

 

The Beyonder has resurrected the Emperor of Mankind, to better the morale of the Human Warhammer faction. He has Done Likewise With The Jedi to help the Republic's Morale. The Same With Palpatine and Vader. He has Also Given the UNSC all of their Spartans back (complete with Avery Johnson!).

 

The Human Coalition will work heavily on spreading out their forces, helping to improve weaknessess in their fellow human armies (Example: The Galactic Republic gives the Imperium of Man some pointers on tactics, while the IOM gives the Galactic Republic increased firepower).

 

The Xeno Coalition will likewise work on their weak points together.

 

There is no Warp in this setting. Human Phykers are much more versatile...but oh so limited.

 

The Beyonder has not only transplanted all of the races armies, but their planets and citizens as well. This Galaxy contains four Earths, as well as all the other planets the humans have conqured, and all on one side of the Galaxy. Likewise with the Aliens.

 

The Flood have consumed biomass equivalent to the forest moon of Endor, and have given birth to a Gravemind. It is this Gravemind that keeps the Flood on the Xenos' side. If this Gravemind is destroyed, the Flood would become feral, and attack both sides of the war. Keep in mind that they can create another Gravemind.

 

The Tyranids' numbers are impressive, but not overwhelming. About the average day-to-day population found in the 40K universe.

 

The Humans must fight Aliens, and vice-versa. A Civil War will result in the extermination of the Coalition responsible. This does not extend to the Flood (or possibly Tyranids) who would, naturally, go rampant if they lost the hivemind motivaiton.

 

The Beyonder has stated he favors Ground Combat, and so that will be the majority of combat taking place. However, since this war will likely last thousands of years, a great many space battles will probably ensue.

--

 

Well, there ya go! As I said, I'm not the most well-read person in these fictions, and some tips would help. Also, if you would like to see a human and/or Alien faction added to the lists, I'd be happy to oblige! Also, a note I may have forgotten to point out in the "Notes" section that would place the battle on a more even footing, if you should find one, please bring it to my attention.

 

Enjoy!

--

 

EDIT: The Two factions from the Starship Troopers universe have been added.

EDIT2: MechWarriors have been added.

EDIT3: The Orks (Warhammer) have been added.

EDIT4: Martians (War of the Worlds) have been added.

EDIT5: The Replicators (Stargate) have been added to the Xeno Coalition.

EDIT6: The cool pictures have been added.

[Skirmisher]

Great fight, I will be debating here probably.

 

As for

 

The Beyonder has stated he favors Ground Combat, and so that will be the majority of combat taking place.

 

You could set it up like a Webway/Star Gate Galaxy, where all the planets are connected in a grid. But rather than being able to go from Point A to anywhere in the galaxy, it's more like a Telephone grid, where to get from one side of the galaxy to the other you have to pass through multiple Gates, fighting across multiple planets to get to and use those gates.

 

 

... Also I would like to say that the Flood are the most likely to win this.

[Guest Ruinus]

The UNSC contributes mass produced NOVA bombs to the IoM or the GE/GR. Also, several Death Stars go zipping about the galaxy followed by billions of ISDs. The IoM takes up most of the ground work as usual.

 

So NOVA bombs and Death Stars to every xeno system, but in the end the Necrons probably win.

[Guest ricrery]

Skirmisher, Necrons are leagues ahead more dangerous than the Flood, and would win alone, ONLY if they are fully awaken, but if they aren't, I give this to the SW powers. CIS is primitive compared to Galactic Empire, and most of the humans can bombard Flood. Tau and Eldar are easily no match for the Imperium, but Tyranids are too much for them, which is why SW forces will take them on with their superior speed and win. But you did give humans some crappy powers:

 

Feds, I can't stress how weak Federation ships are, they fire gigawatts (Tie Fighters do terawatts), they are slow, small, and overall weakest after Weyland.

 

Weyland, humans with less power than the Federation, they don't even have weapons on their ships as far as I'm aware, and they're much slower than the Feds, they're also small too, weakest.

 

UNSC, the toughest of the weak, but that doesn't say much, they fire 1.17 teraton MACs every five minutes, which is easily defeated by an Acclamator firing 12 200 gigaton turbos a second coming 1.20 teratons, but there is the 9TT Super Mac, but it's rare and weaker than the Imperium and SW weapons, overall the strongest of the minors.

 

Now for the Aliens:

 

Eldar + Dark Eldar, really? I don't even think they have a major fleet or ship comparable to a minor fleet or escort of the Imperium, seriously, a Far Seer himself stated that the Eldar would be destroyed by the Imperium if it weren't for their stealth technologies. They do have some stealth and speed advantage, stealthiest of the weak.

 

Tau, oh please, they're slow, small, weak in space technologies, their only advantage is their plasma weaponry which is strong against Space Marines, probably stronger than what Eldar Shuriken/Splinter based weapons can do to a Space Marine. Strongest of the weak.

 

Xenomorphs, they are just there, to die, either on ground or space. It's fact. Weakest of the weak.

 

Yautja, c'mon, they're just hyped, I doubt they can even stand modern day weapons if they use stealth, and I believe they don't even have a ship that exceeds to watts or low level megatons, but they do get success with a detonation from their hand bomb, if they aren't dead then. Most successful of the weak.

 

 

While Beyonder prefers ground combat, one space fight and it's over for the Xenos. The humans have powerful advantages though:

IoM: Skitarii/Space Marines/Terminators

GE: Dark Troopers Phase III

GR: Clones

UNSC: Nova Bomb

Weyland: Die or help UNSC with the Nova Bomb

Federation: Useful transporters

 

Edit: I don't know why I ignored the Covenant, but they have weaker ships than Tau or Eldar I bet, but they're so much bigger and united opposed to Tau or Eldar.

[Guest boston_celtics]

See, it's very simple.

 

Galactic Empire uses the vast manufacturing of the Imperium to mass produce Sun Crushers and Galaxy Guns.

 

After which, they destroy every planet with Flood presence, as well as the Eldar and Tau. Everybody else is a non-factor except the Necrons, who upon realizing that there is so much life in the universe, proceed to eradicate it all.

[Guest ricrery]

Too add to boston: The Imperium starts using the Galactic Empire's industrial capacity to mass produce Vortex Grenades for maximum ground destruction, then, when they are done with that, they upgrade all of humanities ships with weapons of planetary destruction.

[Skirmisher]

Ok, First the Emperor of Mankind would probably hold a summit of Leaders, in order to hammer out a coheasive Battle Plan for the Crusade. This would include:

 

The Emperor of Mankind

The Supreme Chancellor Valoren (Because Palpatine shouldn't be on the list twice)

Mace Windu (Without aliens Yoda wouldn't be there)

Luther Sloan, Section 31's representative (Without Aliens S31 would own the Federation)

Lord Hood

Admiral Preston Cole

*Whoever is running Weyland-Yutani*

Palpatine

and Mon Mothma.

 

The Emperor would probably try and use his godlike influence (For some reason people swoon for absolutely no reason around the Emperor and his sons, even if they have never heard of/seen them. To any regular person it is literally like looking upon the face of God) in order to absorb the factions and their tech into the Imperium. This would probably work with Hood, Cole, Mothma, Valoren, WYco CEO, and maybe Sloan, with Palp unlikely to be significantly swayed due to his mental resistance and egomania.

 

Using the Republics massive production potential as well as their "Safe" droids, and Federation Replication technology, they could potentially create a Massive and Super Powerful Fleet surpassing anything ever dreamed of in any universe. But since the Beyonder has stated a preference for Ground conflicts rather than Space, the Emperor would not take that route as he would Know that even he is no match for the Beyonder.

 

The new IOM, (or the IOMadv) would concentrate on Ground Warfare. There they would incorporate MJOLNIR/bubble Shields and Reactive Metal Liquid Crystal system. As well, these new Marine Terminator and Power Armour would be produced on mass with Replication technology.

 

The Republics Cloning Facilities (Spaarti, but leaving out the crappy flash training) would be put to use in creating whole armies of perfect Space Marine applicants (The Process of Space Marine creation requires specific genetics). This New Generation of Space Marines would be augmented with a combination of Federation and Spartan Medical procedures to streamline the process of creating a space marine, making it faster, more reliable and more survivable, and create a much more powerful Space Marine.

 

As well, the Space Marine Augmentation procedure which usually takes 6 years, may be streamlined to maybe half that, and well they are undergoing this procedure they can train to make up for their Lack of Flash training during the Spaarti Process. To train these new Space Marines they would use Federation Holodecks to provide the Perfect training ground, that would provide a 100% authentic Combat Experience without any risks of loosing trainees.

 

As this is going on Current forces would hold the line. But in as little as those three to six years, Hundreds of Trillions of Super Space Marines would bolster the line.

 

After this the Emperor would have the Federation and the Adeptus Mechanicus create whole armies of warmachines to support the SSMs. As well, the Federation and Republic may just be able to help design a Useful and standard issue Plasma/Particle beam Gun for these SSMs to replace the aging Bolter.

 

After that the Emperor would probably leave the scene to conduct his own research into either creating more Primarchs to lead these new SSMs, or trying to find a way to either talk to and coerce the Beyonder. He may give up on that last part, but with access to the Force he may just be able to make the Perfect Primarch.

 

All the while this is going on, the Rebels, the UNSC's ONI S-3, Feds S-31, and The Jedi Council would be creating a Division of Spec Opps warfare, incorporating power armour, lightsabers, cloaking fields, shields, extensive stealth training and Force Training to create the perfect black opps warriors to complement the Overwhelming Might of the SSMs.

 

 

 

So now that that's all done with, we can finally see what Palp and the GE is doing during this.

 

Using their Massive manufacturing assets the GE would concentrate on the Fleet side of battle, leaving the Ground work to the IOMadv. This would be something that I would think Palpatine would agree on, though he may try to work a deal in with it to get rights to a large bulk of the Force Sensitives in the IOMadv. Probably getting the ones that flunk out of the Black Opps program and raw low level talents that don't meet Black Opps standards though.

 

Seeing as how the UNSC Brass is mostly Ship Commanders, they would probably ask to use their talents in the GE Fleets. This would give the GE a Major advantage in Tactics and Strategy, as Jacob Keyes and Preston Cole join the fight. Both are extremely gifted leaders with Great Tactical and Strategic ability. Cole would be the greater asset as he was able to successfully wage a Brush War in Space against a Technologically Superior foe, making most if not all of the losses sustained count for something, and IIRC winning almost All engagements he commanded. He was even able to Successfully Fake his death, taking with him a whole (and very large) Covenant Fleet, in a very daring and miraculously calculated plan. He is the Replacement for Thrawn in the GE, and he'd fill those boots with ease.

 

Unfortunately though, since the GE and the IOMadv are separate governments they would probably Not actively share all of their technologies. This would mean that the Theoretical Super Ships that combine all the Tech of these universes would not be achieved on a scale that would make a significant difference. Only the IOMadv fleets would be these super ships and they would not be produced in as large of quantities as the GE's fleets. The GE would then see much more active duty, with their own regular ships. Although they would have Hundreds of Billions of Capitol ships to draw from in addition to several Super Weapons.

 

I could see that eventually the GE would phase out standard Star Destroyers for a Mainstay Super Star Destroyer Fleet. Probably equipped with Quantum Armour, a Main weapon mini-super laser like the Eclipse Class, and designed to rely on as little crew as necessary like the Imperious Class. However they would need to keep a high percentage of Marine Soldiers on board, to combat any teleportation/boarding attacks. These could easily be Latest Generation Battle Droids, like the Dark Troopers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now for the Opposition!

 

Unfortunately for these guys there wouldn't be so much unity as Humanity. It would quickly evolve into three De facto Governments:

 

Tau, Eldar, Covenant, Yautja - For the Greater Good.

Necrons, CIS, Dark Eldar - To harvest the Life of the Galaxy.

Flood, Tyranids, Xeno - To spread to all corners and devour.

 

Out of all these the least likely to work coherently with the others would be the the third organization. I could see the Krons, CIS, and DE assisting the others, but only if it were to benefit them in the long run. However the CIS not truly being apart of that organization would probably slip data to what they perceive as the better choice, the Greater Good. This would allow the Tau/Eldar/Cov/Yau alliance to benefit from first hand "leaked" research on Necron Technology.

 

The CIS could also assist the Greater Good in producing their armours and weapons. Being able to mass produce Crisis/Broadside Battlesuits for widespread infantry usage by all allied members. They could even augment the Battlesuit design, implementing Yautja Cloaking and Dlex tech, and Covenant Close Combat Plasma Swords. This combined with the Eldars Farseeing abilities would allow them to fully complement the fully awakened Necrons on the field of battle.

 

Also since there is no longer a Restriction on the CIS war effort they could easily start producing B3 Ultra Battle Droids, or bump up the D-90 combat droid from Commando to full on infantry.

 

As for what the Flood/Nids/Xeno are doing... they're doing what they do best, they will spread out to their enemies worlds and reap a mighty harvest. Although as the spread I am damn sure the Flood would see the advantage of the Nids, and welcome some into their "Utopian Socialist Ideal" to try and learn how to manufacture their own Bioships. They may not have to go to blows either as it the Grave Mind could contact the Hive Mind then a Deal could easily be made. Unfortunately though, all of the races in this category would have to learn to evolve fast or fall behind. Gaunts, current pure flood forms, and regular Xeno just wouldn't cut it anymore on these battlefields.

 

 

 

 

The Conclusion

 

Currently I see the IOMadv and the GE having the Advantage, both in space and on the ground. Though this advantage would only kick into effect after several years of tense action that would see loss after loss for Humanity. After their Cross Military programs are concluded will they actually start pushing back the Xeno.

 

However with the CIS benefiting from having a secure resource base to build Factories, and the Necrons Solar Harness' they could very quickly retake the advantage with sheer numbers.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

Wow! That was amazing, Skirmisher!

 

Yeah. I was planning on giving the Humans a giant Pro-Human Skynet Terminator Production facility...to even it out. But, I'm not quite sure it would make a huge difference...

 

Your thoughts, Skirmisher?

[Skirmisher]

Wow! That was amazing, Skirmisher!

 

Yeah. I was planning on giving the Humans a giant Pro-Human Skynet Terminator Production facility...to even it out. But, I'm not quite sure it would make a huge difference...

 

Your thoughts, Skirmisher?

It wouldn't make much of a difference compared to Forge Worlds, and the fact that they aren't really Human or Xeno makes it a strange fit...

 

Something to even it out though I guess would be Revans Sith Empire with a Star Forge.

 

 

First off, if they were included, Revan also being a Sith of great power would probably be resistant to the Emperors will and would not side with him unless convinced the old fashioned way. I'm sure Palpatine would see to that as well that the Sith didn't go with the Emperor (Probably using the fact that he has Two organizations that hate the sith already in his pocket) and form an alliance with him.

 

This would give the GE access to Great Fleet Resources, as they gain Force Sensitive pilots and commanders for their fleets, and the means to produce their fleets fast.

 

Having the Star Forge would allow them to at the most break even with the Necrons Solar Harness since they're practically the same thing. Especially once they find out how to make new ones, because right now they'll only have One Star Forge against an uncounted, but probable, many Solar Harness'.

[Guest MarvelFan15]

It wouldn't make much of a difference compared to Forge Worlds, and the fact that they aren't really Human or Xeno makes it a strange fit...

 

Something to even it out though I guess would be Revans Sith Empire with a Star Forge.

 

 

First off, if they were included, Revan also being a Sith of great power would probably be resistant to the Emperors will and would not side with him unless convinced the old fashioned way. I'm sure Palpatine would see to that as well that the Sith didn't go with the Emperor (Probably using the fact that he has Two organizations that hate the sith already in his pocket) and form an alliance with him.

 

This would give the GE access to Great Fleet Resources, as they gain Force Sensitive pilots and commanders for their fleets, and the means to produce their fleets fast.

 

Having the Star Forge would allow them to at the most break even with the Necrons Solar Harness since they're practically the same thing. Especially once they find out how to make new ones, because right now they'll only have One Star Forge against an uncounted, but probable, many Solar Harness'.

 

So, The Coalition of Mankind decides to mass produce the Star Forge (once they find out how to reproduce them). The impact this has on the war effort would be astronomical, possibly a garauntee of the Humans winning the war. Is that right?

[Skirmisher]

So, The Coalition of Mankind decides to mass produce the Star Forge (once they find out how to reproduce them). The impact this has on the war effort would be astronomical, possibly a garauntee of the Humans winning the war. Is that right?

Well, in light of the Technologies they have, yes... But their main threat would be the Necrons. With their Solar Harness' they are able to produce astronomical amounts of ships as well.

 

 

There's only One Glaring Problem I have with the Necrons though... If they're fully woken up here, then that means they have the Void Dragon leading them. He is the single most powerful C'tan there is and he's a Technopath of Unbelievable power, believed to be able to control technology over Vast distances.

 

I believe that eventually due to this influence the SSMs may just become obsolete unless they can find some defense against that. This would only leave the Black Opps and Regular Forces since they either have the Force to Protect them or don't rely as heavily on super tech as the SSMs. However the Sith and by extension the GE would be relatively safe since their ships would be literally drenched in the Dark Side of the force from being constructed in a Star Forge.

[Guest ricrery]

Skirmisher, what about the IoM giving the GE their weaponry and shields? That would really help the GE because of layered shielding that regenerates quickly.

 

I do have one problem though, the ST replicators sometimes destroy what they make and even threaten the Enterprise, I'd say they should help the GE make duplicators to help with the ground forces.

[Guest Ruinus]

The Star Forge can easily be replaced by any of the other shipyards the GE has that cover star systems and pump out ships like crazy. The Star Forge is only important during the KOTOR games because it allowed Revan/Malak to build stuff by drawing from a star, without the need for any other materials.

 

Anyways, the Star Trek teleportation thing probably won't work with the IoM and GE technology, as teleporters can be blocked by almost anything (rock, neutronium, shields, EM) all of which are present in the IoM/GE standard warfare.

 

The GE already have replicators too anyway.

 

Also, I don't see it going quite like Skirmisher says. If the Human side knows what it's up against, then the GE can simply start building FTL-capable ships, strap NOVA bombs on them, and fire at will. Or Galaxy Gun the opposition from across the galaxy.

[Guest Ruinus]

Skirmisher, what about the IoM giving the GE their weaponry and shields? That would really help the GE because of layered shielding that regenerates quickly.

 

The Star Wars civilizations already have layered shields. Hell, shields in Star Wars require more damage to take them down. Unlike most sci-fi shields that get whittled away during a battle, a shield in Star Wars only goes down if it is fully overwhelmed. You either bring down the shield entirely or you don't.*

 

*The problem arises in the capacitors which radiate energy away from the shields.

[Skirmisher]

Skirmisher, what about the IoM giving the GE their weaponry and shields? That would really help the GE because of layered shielding that regenerates quickly.

 

I do have one problem though, the ST replicators sometimes destroy what they make and even threaten the Enterprise, I'd say they should help the GE make duplicators to help with the ground forces.

1) The Two governments wouldn't do that as it would disrupt the Balance of power. They would be thinking in After the War terms and not want the GE with it's massive production cap to swamp them with their own tech and conquer everything.

 

2) They don't always destroy or threaten the Federation. If it did as much as you say then they would have abandoned the tech long ago.

 

 

The Star Forge can easily be replaced by any of the other shipyards the GE has that cover star systems and pump out ships like crazy. The Star Forge is only important during the KOTOR games because it allowed Revan/Malak to build stuff by drawing from a star, without the need for any other materials.

 

Anyways, the Star Trek teleportation thing probably won't work with the IoM and GE technology, as teleporters can be blocked by almost anything (rock, neutronium, shields, EM) all of which are present in the IoM/GE standard warfare.

 

The GE already have replicators too anyway.

 

Also, I don't see it going quite like Skirmisher says. If the Human side knows what it's up against, then the GE can simply start building FTL-capable ships, strap NOVA bombs on them, and fire at will. Or Galaxy Gun the opposition from across the galaxy.

1) Biggest shipyard I've ever seen in SW is Kuat drive yards, and it was only a thin Ring around a planet.

 

2) What's better, pulling Infinite material from a star? Or having it shipped in from planetary strip mines across the sector? One is on hand and doesn't ruin planets, the other takes time and bureaucracy to get the material anywhere...

 

3) True, but remember I said that the Emperor is following the Beyonders rules of not having an emphasis on Space Warfare. Because really would you like to piss the Beyonder off?

 

4) The Galaxy Gun is a good weapon, But I would only consider it long range artillery on a Galactic Scale. As well, with Necron tech they may just as easily be able to stop the G-guns missiles before they do anything... I would consider them to be similar in effect as the V1 rocket attacks that the Nazis used on Briton in WWII.

 

Same with the Sun Crusher. Really the Quantum armour on that thing only brings it Up to 40K standards, and should be implemented on all of the GE ships.

[Guest ricrery]

The Star Wars civilizations already have layered shields. Hell, shields in Star Wars require more damage to take them down. Unlike most sci-fi shields that get whittled away during a battle, a shield in Star Wars only goes down if it is fully overwhelmed. You either bring down the shield entirely or you don't.*

 

Source? I have never heard of such shielding in the SWverse. I've never read anything about it.

[Guest ricrery]

2) They don't always destroy or threaten the Federation. If it did as much as you say then they would have abandoned the tech long ago.

 

They are not as competent as SW duplicators, those make the replications correct, while ST replicators have made inaccuracies many times before.

[Guest boston_celtics]

The only reason the Star Forge was effective was because Revan could replace ships he lost while lossing no material. With the resources of 2 galaxies at its hands, I doubt resources would be a problem.

[Guest ricrery]

The only reason the Star Forge was effective was because Revan could replace ships he lost while lossing no material. With the resources of 2 galaxies at its hands, I doubt resources would be a problem.

 

Compared to Necrons killing stars in a strange fashion?

[Skirmisher]

They are not as competent as SW duplicators, those make the replications correct, while ST replicators have made inaccuracies many times before.

"The Duplicator was a device that could recreate any object that was first digitized by a prototyper. It was developed during the final years of the Old Republic in order to meet the needs of the scientific community of the time. Early on during the New Order, duplicators were commonly found on the black market, where they were often used in counterfeiting schemes."

 

 

"A replicator works by rearranging subatomic particles, which are abundant everywhere in the universe, to form molecules and arrange those molecules to form the object. For example, to create a pork chop, the replicator would first form atoms of carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, etc., then arrange them into amino acids, proteins, and cells, and put it all together into the form of a pork chop.

 

This process requires the destructive conversion of bulk matter into energy and its subsequent reformation into a pre-scanned matter pattern. "

 

The two things are almost exactly the same. It's just that the Feds use the Reps practically everywhere, they even have Industrial Reps that can remake whole Cities.

 

Bajour a world that had been devastated by many decades of occupation, and then the slash and burn of the Cardassians leaving was given Two Industrial Reps. In under a Year the entire surface of the planet looked like they had Never seen anything remotely close to a war. They had Sprawling cities with grand skyscrapers, power plants and infrastructure to support it all, etc. Can a Duplicator do that?

[Guest ricrery]

Didn't the GE use duplicators on the DS?

[Skirmisher]

Didn't the GE use duplicators on the DS?

Not sure about that, but they did used a hell of a lot of Droids and Slave Labour, so their Duplicators may not have been as big, or used as wildly spread as Federation Reps.

 

Even then the DS1 took decades to complete, and only because they already had the workforce in place did the DS2 take only 3 years to complete... or at least get the super weapon running... Really it had practically no TLs, it had No shields, and a large chunk of it was missing.

 

With Wide Spread use of Industrial Replicators and a Droid workforce, with material gleaned from a Star, I would say a Deathstar could be produced in under a Year.

[Guest ricrery]

I'm surprised if Fed technology could replicate SW technology because its space weapons are millions to trillions of times stronger than what the Federation ships do.

[Skirmisher]

I'm surprised if Fed technology could replicate SW technology because its space weapons are millions to trillions of times stronger than what the Federation ships do.

The Feds are pacifists. Even when they do go to war, they're so inexperienced about it that they line their ships up line Red Coats and fly at the enemy. Even their Ground infantry lacks the proper protection that they can easily offer.

 

 

That's where the other more Warlike Factions come in to balance them out. They can use their technological advantage to either augment their own or improve on ideas.

 

Frankly Humanity has a Great advantage being able to Mass produce their armies and weapons in greater quantities then the enemy, and solid research that can see Bombs destroying whole solar systems, Chrono technology that could literally make things not exist anymore, Advanced Teleporters that could using a combination of Warp/Fed tech by-pass shields and place entire armies with pin-point accuracy, etc. etc.

 

I see Humanity eventually winning in only a couple centuries.

[Guest ricrery]

The Nova Cannon is also no more than a PT as you said before, so... The Imperium give the UNSC materials stronger than the warheads on that thing.