The Imperium of Man (pre-Horus Heresy) vs Galactic Empire (at its peak)

[Guest ricrery]

Yes, the Acclamator-class assault ship had cannons that fired 200 gigatons per shot.

 

Star Wars Episode II Incredible Cross-Sections

Light guns: 300 million GW (6 megatons per shot, 24 guns, assume 1 shot every 2 seconds for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)

Heavy guns: 2.4 million megatons (200 gigatons per shot from each turret, 12 turrets)

Sublight acceleration: 3500G

Operational range: 250,000 light-years (before refueling)

Shield heat dissipation: 70 trillion GW peak

Reactor power: 200 trillion GW max

 

The, Venator-class Star Destroyer on the other hand:

"As a true warship, the Venator-class Star Destroyer could divert almost all of its reactor output to its heavy turbolasers when needed."

 

Venator's Power output Peak: 3,6 × 1024 W[1]

So:

 

3.60E+24/4.18E+15 = 8.60E+08 = 860 teratons.

 

 

Oh for crying out loud! The ISD is x10 more stronger than the Acclamator, so how is the Venator doing 860 teratons?

[Guest Ruinus]

Oh for crying out loud! The ISD is x10 more stronger than the Acclamator, so how is the Venator doing 860 teratons?

 

Whoever told you that is wrong, it's as simple as that.

 

EDIT: Seriously, I just showed you how its doing that amount of damage (In fact, I think I've done this before in this very thread) and you still don't think it can pull 860 teratons? Also, this is just a Venator, and I'm looking around for calcs for Imperators.

[Guest ricrery]

Whoever told you that is wrong, it's as simple as that.

 

 

No, it's true. If you put in the Acclamators heavy turblolasers and all other turbolasers and combined them and did to the ISD's, the ISD would be x10 more stronger. Besides without their shields they are NOTHING. So those Imperium torpedos will be the end of the ISD's right?

[Guest Ruinus]

No, it's true. If you put in the Acclamators heavy turblolasers and all other turbolasers and combined them and did to the ISD's, the ISD would be x10 more stronger.

 

That's a pretty odd method for figuring out their firepower, considering that the bigger SDs have bigger reactors, and hence can field more firepower. Also, the heavy cannons on the Acclamators are considered medium cannons on bigger ships.

 

Besides without their shields they are NOTHING. So those Imperium torpedos will be the end of the ISD's right?

 

Yeah, an unshielded ship will be destroyed pretty fast.

You sure won that round.

[Guest ricrery]

Well some of their torpedoes do 2.9 petatons which would one shot the ships completely, but let's not get to that.

[Guest Ruinus]

I like how me and Skirmisher are like almost the only people who bother to source their arguments. It is a load of fun, and not annoying at all. <_>

[Guest ricrery]

I like how me and Skirmisher are like almost the only people who bother to source their arguments. It is a load of fun, and not annoying at all.

 

 

It's fun ignoring the Psyker > Jedi thing huh? The GEoM would massacre Ragnos and Revan, but if only they were in this fight!

[Guest Ruinus]

It's fun ignoring the Psyker > Jedi thing huh? The GEoM would massacre Ragnos and Revan, but if only they were in this fight!

 

So, a sidestep? I point out you don't source your arguments, so you, instead of sourcing this petaton missile claim, simply repeat something else you've said, which also didn't have any source? <_>

 

Also, I'm ignoring the Psyker/Jedi thing, because the Jedi aren't used by the Empire and Ragnos and Revan aren't even alive by this time. So yeah.

 

In fact, most of this battle is actually irrelevant. The only things that actually matter are:

How fast the GE can find the IoM's capital.

How fast the GE can map a route there.

 

After that, the Death Star shows up, blows up Terra, and then leaves.

[Skirmisher]

In fact, most of this battle is actually irrelevant. The only things that actually matter are:

How fast the GE can find the IoM's capital.

How fast the GE can map a route there.

 

After that, the Death Star shows up, blows up Terra, and then leaves.

I'm not thinking so, If the Death Star were to arrive at Holy Terra, then it would be greeted by Battlefleet Solar... Which based on other Battle Fleets would number at 50-75 Crusiers and Battleships, and 125-150 Escorts... If it were to arrive in the Sol system, it would be bombarded to slag by the defense fleet stationed there, and any attempt to destroy Holy Terra would probably be intercepted by a daring and suicidal ship, taking the "Bullet" for the planet.

 

 

Besides, the loss of Holy Terra wouldn't do anything to the IOM. The Emperor is alive and on the move commanding the forces of the IOM. He is the Authority, he is the Leadership, and in the scenario that I put forward, he would give the title of Warmaster to... well, probably Horus who would be next in command, below him are the other 20 Primarchs who command the legions. From there command branches out to various Chapter Masters, Lord Admirals and Sector Governors...

 

Loosing Terra would be a very sad thing, but not the total, destabilizing, knock down punch that you seem to think. In fact it would probably do quite the opposite that you think, with the majority of Human in the MYG fighting to the Last with a deadly fervor the likes never seen before...

[Guest Ruinus]

I'm not thinking so, If the Death Star were to arrive at Holy Terra, then it would be greeted by Battlefleet Solar... Which based on other Battle Fleets would number at 50-75 Crusiers and Battleships, and 125-150 Escorts... If it were to arrive in the Sol system, it would be bombarded to slag by the defense fleet stationed there, and any attempt to destroy Holy Terra would probably be intercepted by a daring and suicidal ship, taking the "Bullet" for the planet.

 

And the ship would simply be washed away by the superlaser, it wouldn't absorbe the entire bullet and save Terra. In fact, with the sheer amount of energy in that superlaser blast, any ship caught in its way would be destroyed instantely.

 

The Death Star has enough firepower to fight off fleets of ships, and it could simply have a large number of escorts. In fact, a fleet could jump in from one side of the star system, cause a diversion with the defensive fleet, and the Death Star shows up on the other side, and destroyes Terra, and maybe Mars if it gets the chance.

 

It would be a crippling blow if the Emperor is there at the time, and even if he isn't there are still other organizations who have their HQ there. The loss of say, the Administratum would severely mess up the Imperium.

[Guest Ruinus]

I was simply stating that the GE would have to scout out new hyperspace lanes within the MWG in order to get ANYWHERE, and that such a task is reported to be Incredibly Dangerous. This would mean that yes I would argue that it would take billions of Probe Droids to chart only a very few space lanes, but not to the degree of being Everywhere in the MW galaxy within a day or two...

 

And as I said, it is a dangerous task for living creatures, no one gives a care if a droid smashes itself into a planet. And again, it wouldn't matter if it took billions of probe droids, the GE has the resources to spam that. And also, it wouldn't matter if it took 3 days, or 4, or 5, or a week, to scout any major routes, that is STILL faster than the IoM can respond to. The GE will simply be able to do everything faster than the IoM.

 

What about Food? The IOM has whole planets dedicated to just the production of Food stuffs for it's troops and ship crews, yet I haven't heard of any Star Wars agri-worlds.

 

Agriworld

 

Yet still, droids are sub par tacticians and strategists... and if they aren't then the GE runs the gambit of having a Droid rebellion...

 

The simple fact though is that it would take the GE a Year in the LEAST to start it's war machine. With New Recruits, Training, Spartii Clones a Year or Madness, Droids kept incompetent to prevent rebellion... Before even they get to the field of battle the God Emperor of Mankind and ten of his 21 sons, commanding 11 legions of Space Marines would arrive in the Star Wars Galaxy and start Stomping. I estimate their strength at a quarter million Space Marines (based on my previous statments), 6000+ Battlebarges (it is common for a 1000 SM Chapter to have three, so that would be 3/1000 SMs, referenced on the Battlebarge background in the Gothic rule book), Roughly four times that in Strike Cruisers for 24,000 (since going by points roughly four Cruisers can be bought for the same points of a BB), and probably several escorts per Strike Cruiser, for 140,000 (assuming two small squadrons per Cruiser). Not to mention the Adeptus Machanicus Fleets that would haul the titans and various personnel that the Emperor would think to bring along to "recover" lost technology...

 

No, the GE would first have to spend the time and energy plotting Hyperspace lanes in the MWG. Meanwhile the IOM has free reign (albeit relatively slow free reign) within the SWG, not needing hyperspace lanes to jet from sector to sector.

 

Prove that it would take the GE at least a year to do this. New high quality CLONES could take a year to produce, and recruits too, but not droids, or droid controlled ships.

 

Scroll down 7 paragraphs. According to that site, the standard Imperial Sectrogroup can carry about 3 to 4 million soldiers. Your quarter million Space Marines are outnumbered by a wide margin.

 

Also, considering how slow IoM ships take to get anywhere, prove that it would take the IoM a year to reach the SW galaxy, and then show how they are able to get anywhere within that galaxy since THEY ALSO DON"T HAVE MAPS, and their scouting methods are SLOWER.

 

No, the IoM does not have free reign in the SW galaxy, because again:

The GE has faster FTL drives (via 1 day long galactic travel)

The GE has faster scouting methods (via droid spam)

 

So the GE can get to the MW galaxy faster, than the IoM can get to the SW galaxy. IN effect, your idea that the IoM would be rampaging across the SW galaxy does not occur.

 

Seriously, you seem to want the IoM to get everywhere incredibly fast, yet ignore your own past claims of the IoM taking a year to even assemble the required soldiers, the time it would take to get these soldiers across their own galaxy to the wormhole that connects both galaxies (I'm assuming a wormhole connects both galaxies) and then the extra time required to map out the SW galaxy (the OP itself states it would take them months to get anywhere).

 

The OP says

"The Imperium has to wait months to get anywhere in the Star Wars Galaxy. Therefor the Galactic Empire can setup defenses with no problems."

 

So tell me Skirmisher, once you take all this into account, why do you still assume the GE will be the ones who are unprepared?

 

Here we see a Battle Barges bombardment Cannons attack after less than 20 seconds of bombardment. However note that the Fireball achieved this size roughly several seconds into the bombardment before it sunk into the planet. The Fireball easily stretches out to a rough estimate of 4000 kilometers. Using this calculator we see that at Minimum this would be 8 Petatons, meaning that it would be quite easy for a Battle Barge to have a firepower output of around 1 petaton per second with Bombardment Cannons alone. Note that this is in addition to supporting Shields and Similar Strength weapons batteries on both sides of the ship. This would mean that it could fight with Peak shields pumping out up to 2 petatons per second in battle.

 

Are you taking into account that every shot does not make a giant fireball?

 

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Every single shot does not make a giant fireball (something that should happen), and for some reason, the fireball only explodes after all the shots have hit. Bascially, I'm saying, are those visual reliable?

 

(I don't know if I can respond to the rest, so could you please hold off until I put in the rest of the responses? Thanks.)

[Guest ricrery]

Didn't they have Blackstone Fortresses during the AoS? If so the Death Star is MASSACRED before it can do anything. What if the Mechanicus had a temptation to learn about Eldar technology and added it to their fleets? Oh god, that would be scary. They can't stand up to the fleet... an asteroid can destroy a ISD, a Imperial Ironclad is many times more durable than ISD it isn't funny. What are they going to do with the Psyker Primarchs besides go crazy and have their heads asploadin'? Besides Ragnos WAS a Dark JEDI, too bad he isn't around. The God Emperor can make stars go supernova rather easily. And you have no idea why going to Terra while the Emperor is there is a bad idea, cause Palpy and the DS's crew will all die.

[Guest Ruinus]

Didn't they have Blackstone Fortresses during the AoS? If so the Death Star is MASSACRED before it can do anything.

 

Since apparently you can't be bothered to back up your claims, I looked this up for you, since I wanted to know what exactly you were talking about.Blackstone Fortresses

So they are superbadass fortresses, that the Imperium didn't know how to use. They were simply plastered on with guns and fighter bays. The ones in Imperium custody were destroyed, and Abaddon took the other two.

 

<_>

 

What if the Mechanicus had a temptation to learn about Eldar technology and added it to their fleets? Oh god, that would be scary.

 

What if the Mechanicus suddenly had a deus ex machina motivation to do something they've never done before, and suddenly gain super intelligence, and learn all of Eldar technology to be able to apply it to their own ships, and suddenly gain negative time factories to pump out this amazingly superfast reverse engineered technology? Oh god, that would be ridiculous.

 

They can't stand up to the fleet... an asteroid can destroy a ISD,

 

Right, a giant asteroid destroying the bridge tower, after the ship has been in the asteroid field for an unknown amount of time, and took an unknown amount of asteroid impacts clearly shows that any and all asteroids destroy ISDs.

 

The God Emperor can make stars go supernova rather easily. And you have no idea why going to Terra while the Emperor is there is a bad idea, cause Palpy and the DS's crew will all die.

 

Prove this supernova claim, since I don't even pay attention to claims that go unsourced.

Also LOL at your second claim, the DS shows up instantely and the GEoM suddenly instantly kills them all. Why didn't he ever do this to anyone else?

[Skirmisher]

I don't know if I can respond to the rest, so could you please hold off until I put in the rest of the responses? Thanks.

Can do, and I'm glade to see this topic continuing again.

[Guest ricrery]

What? They used them as stations. Besides Psykers can ACCIDENTLY destroy planets depending on their level, and the GEoM is the strongest one of all, I've heard that the GEoM once froze time in the galaxy, but I don't believe it.

[Skirmisher]

What? They used them as stations. Besides Psykers can ACCIDENTLY destroy planets depending on their level, and the GEoM is the strongest one of all, I've heard that the GEoM once froze time in the galaxy, but I don't believe it.

No, Alpha Class Psykers can only accidentally drive an entire planets population completely insane... The God Emperor of Mankind is actually an Alpha Plus though, so who knows...

[Guest Ruinus]

What? They used them as stations.

 

Which makes them unimpressive. So it's a station with guns and fighter bays, so what?

 

Besides Psykers can ACCIDENTLY destroy planets depending on their level,

 

Evidence?

 

and the GEoM is the strongest one of all, I've heard that the GEoM once froze time in the galaxy, but I don't believe it.

 

So why should I?

[Guest ricrery]

After alpha plus a reverse chart begins all the way to omega plus. Only a Warp god can claim such power.

 

The power the top four grades represents is immense. A high Delta level can read the minds of a good sized town simultaneously, or crush a man to death against a wall in seconds. High grade psykers are extremely powerful, and not to be taken lightly. Beta level is the highest a human can go and still be considered sane.

 

An Alpha Plus, however, is a being of grotesque power. They are described in the 4th edition Rulebook as being able to "turn a man inside-out with a glance", "snap a Battle Titan in half with a flick of the wrist", and "a muttered syllable can turn an army upon itself in a frenzy of bloodlust". They are capable of destroying entire worlds - sometimes unintentionally.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psyker

 

 

There's your evidence!