12:3 - Aliens (Independence Day) vs. Phalanx

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SEASON 12, ROUND 3

Aliens (Independence Day)

Slot: The Team's Planetary Invasion Force
Season Wins: 0
Season Losses: 0
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Official Site: 20th Century Fox

Phalanx

Slot: The Team's Planetary Invasion Force
Season Wins: 0
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Official Site: Marvel comics

Battle Terrain
Alien Invasion: Battleground planet Earth

[DSkillz]

The Phalanx would have to find a way around the Alien ships' force fields (and with millennia of experience from conquering galaxies, they no doubt have the knowledge to do a simple hacking), but once they do, it's game over for the Aliens and Earth. 

[Magnamax]

7 hours ago, DSkillz said:

The Phalanx would have to find a way around the Alien ships' force fields (and with millennia of experience from conquering galaxies, they no doubt have the knowledge to do a simple hacking), but once they do, it's game over for the Aliens and Earth. 

Is there any evidence to suggest the Phalanx have any knowledge of hacking? Even then, the Aliens don’t die when that happens, it just takes down their shields in the first movie. It’s important to note that this isn’t even a weakness for them by the second movie.

 

The id4 aliens have successfully invaded Earth twice, just to be undone by convenient Jeff Goldblum shenanigans. They seem to be much more efficient than the Phalanx and should make quick work of Earth on their third time invading the planet.

[DSkillz]

3 hours ago, Magnamax said:

Is there any evidence to suggest the Phalanx have any knowledge of hacking?

Many millennia spent conquering other galaxies that have technology more advanced than our own (not to mention having advanced technology in their own right) tells me that hacking into the Aliens' systems would be child's play, at least as their systems were in the first film.

3 hours ago, Magnamax said:

Even then, the Aliens don’t die when that happens, it just takes down their shields in the first movie. It’s important to note that this isn’t even a weakness for them by the second movie.

Without their ships' shielding, the Aliens would no doubt be vulnerable to assimilation, and the Phalanx can assimilate organic and absorb inorganic matter.

3 hours ago, Magnamax said:

The id4 aliens have successfully invaded Earth twice, just to be undone by convenient Jeff Goldblum shenanigans.

In their various intergalactic conquests, I'm not so certain that the Phalanx haven't dealt with tech at least as advanced as the Aliens'. If all else fails, though, they could simply assimilate Goldblum's character David Levison. The Phalanx could then easily keep Levison protected long enough for him to help come up with a way to defeat the Aliens.

Not sure that Levison could actually come up with anything the Phalanx aren't already capable of, though.

[DSkillz]

4 hours ago, Magnamax said:

They seem to be much more efficient than the Phalanx and should make quick work of Earth on their third time invading the planet.

Just thought about this. I'm not even so sure the Aliens would be more efficient. In the original X-Men animated series, the Phalanx had all but conquered the Earth in a matter of days. If the scientific minds of Beast, Mr. Sinister, and Forge along with rogue Phalanx Warlock's assistance and Magneto's powers hadn't intervened, the Phalanx would've succeeded.

[C.T.]

Yeah, the aliens did a lot of damage both times but you can’t call either invasion a success if they, you know, both ultimately failed. How you can claim they’re much more efficient when they get beat by Jeff Goldblum, the first time with a simple computer virus, is beyond me.

[Magnamax]

7 hours ago, C.T. said:

Yeah, the aliens did a lot of damage both times but you can’t call either invasion a success if they, you know, both ultimately failed. How you can claim they’re much more efficient when they get beat by Jeff Goldblum, the first time with a simple computer virus, is beyond me.

 

8 hours ago, DSkillz said:

Just thought about this. I'm not even so sure the Aliens would be more efficient. In the original X-Men animated series, the Phalanx had all but conquered the Earth in a matter of days. If the scientific minds of Beast, Mr. Sinister, and Forge along with rogue Phalanx Warlock's assistance and Magneto's powers hadn't intervened, the Phalanx would've succeeded.

In both cases they had entirely conquered Earth, destroyed most major cities, governments, etc in essentially two days using a coordinated attack. In the first movie, it requires an insane series of events with one of the most laughably ridiculous twists (using Windows '95 to plant a virus in the mothership, then having to blow it up from the inside out) and the second movie requires an advanced Alien AI crashing into Earth and giving information on a specific weakness the aliens had.

 

In both cases, the aliens were undoubtedly successful, it just took Roland Emmerich movie logic to defeat them each time. In the second film, it's even shown that they essentially conquer planets on the daily and have all bit wiped out another race specifically designed to beat them. Invasion was certainly a success each time, occupation was cut short by shenanigans. Again, I think the aliens of id4 are just more efficient Earth destroyers, especially with that Magma sucking thing they used in the second movie. 

[DSkillz]

15 hours ago, Magnamax said:

In both cases they had entirely conquered Earth, destroyed most major cities, governments, etc in essentially two days using a coordinated attack. In the first movie, it requires an insane series of events with one of the most laughably ridiculous twists (using Windows '95 to plant a virus in the mothership, then having to blow it up from the inside out) ... 

I haven't seen Resurgence, but I wouldn't really call the first film's example a full conquest. IIRC, there were several major cities still standing, and none of the world or major military leaders had surrendered or been wiped out, which allowed them all to formulate retaliatory attacks once Levison's hack took effect. 

Meanwhile, in the animated series, the Phalanx had managed to assimilate the U.S. President and had a plan in place to assimilate the entire planet in a matter of days. In a world with more advanced tech than the Earth in the ID films and with the likes of the X-Men, Spider-Man, Iron Man, War Machine, Doctor Strange, and the Fantastic Four, it still came down to a separate, ragtag group of people who were on average smarter than Levison to save the day. 

16 hours ago, Magnamax said:

In both cases, the aliens were undoubtedly successful, it just took Roland Emmerich movie logic to defeat them each time. In the second film, it's even shown that they essentially conquer planets on the daily and have all bit wiped out another race specifically designed to beat them. Invasion was certainly a success each time, occupation was cut short by shenanigans. Again, I think the aliens of id4 are just more efficient Earth destroyers, especially with that Magma sucking thing they used in the second movie. 

If we count the comics version of the Phalanx, they are pretty formidable in their own right. They managed to lay waste to the Kree (killing off thousands of them a day at one point) and they almost conquered the Shi'ar Empire. It generally takes team-ups of several superhero factions to stop the Phalanx.

[Magnamax]

8 hours ago, DSkillz said:

I haven't seen Resurgence, but I wouldn't really call the first film's example a full conquest. IIRC, there were several major cities still standing, and none of the world or major military leaders had surrendered or been wiped out, which allowed them all to formulate retaliatory attacks once Levison's hack took effect. 

Meanwhile, in the animated series, the Phalanx had managed to assimilate the U.S. President and had a plan in place to assimilate the entire planet in a matter of days. In a world with more advanced tech than the Earth in the ID films and with the likes of the X-Men, Spider-Man, Iron Man, War Machine, Doctor Strange, and the Fantastic Four, it still came down to a separate, ragtag group of people who were on average smarter than Levison to save the day. 

If we count the comics version of the Phalanx, they are pretty formidable in their own right. They managed to lay waste to the Kree (killing off thousands of them a day at one point) and they almost conquered the Shi'ar Empire. It generally takes team-ups of several superhero factions to stop the Phalanx.

Resurgence is a really important part of this though, as that shows more of the full fleet of the id4 aliens at closer to full power. They wipe out Washington, London, etc. kill the president and annihilate Earth’s defenses which had been specifically built to combat the aliens in 24 hours or less. The id4 aliens in that weren’t getting hacked to drop their shields either. 
 

Assimilation takes time, and if they are both fighting on earth, there’s not much of earth to assimilate when it’s being wiped out. Nor are the id4 aliens vulnerable to assimilation. Their ships are powerhouses, especially the larger mother ships. The id4 aliens going straight on the offensive means they will probably start attacking the phalanx and earth right away, taking away the phalan’s greatest asset: surprise and espionage. Without a direct way to get through the alien’s shields, they will be vulnerable to the firepower of the id4 aliens, who I think just have a clearer path to victory in this scenario.

[DSkillz]

18 hours ago, Magnamax said:

Resurgence is a really important part of this though, as that shows more of the full fleet of the id4 aliens at closer to full power. They wipe out Washington, London, etc. kill the president and annihilate Earth’s defenses which had been specifically built to combat the aliens in 24 hours or less. The id4 aliens in that weren’t getting hacked to drop their shields either. 
 

Assimilation takes time, and if they are both fighting on earth, there’s not much of earth to assimilate when it’s being wiped out. Nor are the id4 aliens vulnerable to assimilation. Their ships are powerhouses, especially the larger mother ships. The id4 aliens going straight on the offensive means they will probably start attacking the phalanx and earth right away, taking away the phalan’s greatest asset: surprise and espionage. Without a direct way to get through the alien’s shields, they will be vulnerable to the firepower of the id4 aliens, who I think just have a clearer path to victory in this scenario.

Eh, after assimilating tech from many thousands of worlds and killing 200,000 races, the Phalanx likely aren't sweating the Aliens or their tech's shields. Again, they assimilate both organic and inorganic matter, so the Aliens themselves won't really have defenses once the Phalanx actually reach them. I also seriously doubt the Aliens have tech as advanced as the likes of the Shi'ar or even 616-Earth, both of which the Phalanx would have conquered if not for the X-Men. 

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Match Final Results

Aliens (Independence Day): 4
Phalanx: 10