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2 hours ago, leroypowell3 said:

You got signed in Comicbookfan. And that's a good point. I'm going with movie spidey after a hard fight.

Yeah Iam using a phone with slow internet so I couldn't tell

These poor monks will have a lot of rebuilding to do assuming they live long enough Apocalypse is a hulk level in strength and with a million other powers he will put hulk down long before  he gets strong enough to damage him

Iam not sure if iam signed in or guest but this is cbf  subzero got took down by a bucket of water he has been shown in other canon that his power can be turned against him and he is up against quite possibly the best at this 

3 minutes ago, Twogunkid said:

Billy has apocalypse on a hard speed blitz. This guys goes up against Superman, Black Adam, Darkseid, Superboy Prime and tons of other way heavier hitters than Thor. Supes > Thor and Captain Marvel/Shazam=Supes.

superman is more powerful than thor but marvel is only able to hang because his strength is superman's weakness  also  superman isn't more powerful than 2 thor's  

Billy knows things from the Wisdom of Solomon. It is more than just good judgement and battlefield experience it also lets him have an inate understanding of many things including magic and generally how his opponents' abilities work.

Apocalypse doesn't need innate wisdom he has people for that 

Billy's magic extends to pure conjuration. He can something things from nothing. He has shorted out technology with magic and defeated sorcerers far more experienced than he is.

Apocalypse's biggest strength is the versatility of his powers, but Billy can match enough of that versatility and crush him in raw power.

Apocalypse can definately hang in raw strength  jane threw a moon at odin  and Apocalypse completely restrained her with one arm and he nearly killed thor in 3 hits  

and for the record Billy is 13.

but his brain is 12

 

19 hours ago, Twogunkid said:

I was going through Apocalypse's laundry list and that Billy had all of these powers as well. Hell, Billy can even give powers to other people like Apocalypse can.

if billy uses  telepathy against Apocalypse he will get a violent feedback    also  and can billy control his molecules  on the subatomic level there is no real way for billy to win this every single power he has Apocalypse  has a counter for

telepathy Apocalypse is immune  

transmutation  Apocalypse  molecule manipulation counters that 

lightning thor's lightning only managed to stagger him  i doubt billy's will do anymore than that if it hits him  Apocalypse also has force fields  and teleportation 

brute force Apocalypse has taken on the hulk and held his own against 2 thor's at once  not to mention  try punching something that can change from it's physical state at will  billy punches him he can change to a liquid state 

forget wizdom Apocalypse is way smarter than billy  not to mention if this place runs off tec Apocalypse  could turn the whole battle field against him 

they both have the power of gods  but one has the brain of a 12 year old while the other could figure  out how to use tecnology hundreds of thousands of years more advanced  than he should 

this is  CBUB  i remember us having a distinctively different debate style then comicvine i was hoping to use our old method of debate because i feel like it's more accurate it also massively helps me out  but if we have to hash things out  by feats are everything comicvine method i can do that too i await your response  on how you want to do this  if i get no response by tomorrow i will make my case  using both styles 

morg  in a decent fight 

3 hours ago, DSkillz said:

Take Doom's prep out of the equation, then have him go up against a ruthless, FTL, planet-busting flying brick. Then let us know what you think.

define prep because Doom has fuctions in his armor at all times built to allow him to take on  thor hulk ff he can spam the field with demons  channel the strength of cytorak  and he has the ovoid mind switch all stuff he can do in seconds and  auto shields powerful enough to take shots from thanos  this fight could go either way but i lean toward Doom because he is just too damn crafty say adam beats all of Doom's fail safe  he has no idea about the ovoid mind switch and all Doom has to do is make eye contact  then he has adam's body

i would go with Doom

if this is to permanent  death than doomesday wins hulk still has to breath and the that apparatus  will be lost and destroyed at some point 

but hulk has a chance if doomesday loses after first death 

Apocalypse has  teleportation powerful forcefields to prevent damage and even if he does get damaged he heals at pretty much will and has powerful adaptation powers  and he is physically stronger and faster and has TK to guide ultron in 

7 hours ago, Mercenaryblade said:

So it's either the Age of Ultron or the Age of Apocalypse? 

Both have taken over the world in the future at some point, has either ever fought one another before? 

nope  Apocalypse is stronger but iam not sure how there going to hurt eachother  if Apocalypse can't use tecnopathy  to win

17 hours ago, C.T. said:

Mh, from what I remember, Mar-Vell is not nearly as strong or as fast as his later successor Carol Danvers, more in the Spider Man range there. His greatest ability is his cosmic awareness but I think a few times it has been shown to be lacking when it comes to determining things about people/stuff from other dimensions/universes. J’onn should take this

but he is better with his powers  and packs a enough  of a punch to knock thanos on his ass and  is still fast enough to keep up with manhunter this is a verry winable fight for either of them 

that island is going to sink

27 minutes ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Okay Mr. Smarty Pants, but what about his fights with New Goblin (Harry Osborn)? In both fights no one was endanger but him so he had no reason to be distracted or handicapped, yet once again his spidey sense failed to warn of incoming attacks. 

In the opening scene he was taken completely by surprise by Harry’s opening attack, why did it fail to work here like it worked when Ock launched the car at him and

this was actually a failing  and was a really funny and cool scene but iam not sure why it didn't work here lol other than the mood of the scene being way funnier that it didn't   but you got me here still works most of the time 

 

MJ? Also at 1:15 while he was able to dodge Harry’s first attack in mid air, all the ensuring attacks landed perfectly and knocked him around multiple times. 

he is fighting someone who is almost as strong and as fast as him and he is trying to hold back he is going to get tagged  on occasion 

And in the other fight between him and Harry why didn’t his spidey sense warn him about Harry’s blade until it was two inches into his stomach?

be cause his power in the movie doesn't warn him about hidden   weapons it warns him of sneak attacks or or impending danger he already knew harry was attacking him he just didn't know he had  a knife 

Look my point is that for whatever reason Tobey’s spidey sense just isn’t completely accurate or reliable. Call it inexperience, distractions, or being too mad to think clearly the main point is undeniable: his spidey sense is too inconsistent and prone to fail in the middle of combat to be considered a main reason why he’ll win.

works good enough to be a major factor 

Since you’ve probably already seen my Arrow taking down Flash feat I think I’ll also add these feats of Slade just to prove without a doubt that he’s Oliver’s equal, as well as providing some additional feats for him.

 

he has oliver beat in speed and strength while being a match for him in skill but even live action spidey greatly surpasses slade in speed and strength  and his spidersense would do enough  in warning him of traps  or environmental threats  and his un ending web gives him a effective range weapon  that  can't be taken away from him 

14 minutes ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Okay fair enough, I could buy that since he had just gotten his powers that maybe we can excuse his inconsistent reaction times for movie 1. But here’s the thing, in 2 & 3 there also instances where his spidey sense just outright failed him in the middle of combat!

In this clip we see him clearly on his guard and knowing that Doc Ock is only a few feet from him and could spot him at any moment. And yet when he stopped to chat with MJ the Doc yeeted a metal bar at him and he clearly didn’t move until after it landed!

his spidersense only reacts to things that he needs to react to that metal bar was never intended to hit him he didn't have to dodge it there for no danger 

 

If that bar was just a few inches to the left he’d be dead.

no because his sense would have alerted him and he would likely dodge it

Also after fighting with Ock for a bit and freeing MJ he was completely blindsided  from behind by Doc Ock! Why didn’t his spidey sense warn him of either attack? He knew very well that Doc Ock was dangerous and wouldn’t stay down after one or two hits.

because he knew it was coming already he was just to concerned with mj's safety  to worry  about dodging 

@2:00 he was blindsided this time by Venom while trying to get to MJ.

again he is focused on marry jane  it's not that he can't avoid if well alert  these are all instances where he is more worried about someone's well being than his  

And don’t tell me he couldn’t dodge in the mid air, just prior to that moment we clearly saw him dodging and weaving Sandman’s punches despite being in mid air then. And @2:18 while solidly on the ground Venom again surprises him by webbing him from behind and holding him down so that Sandman can beat him to death, and would’ve had Harry not saved his spider ass. Again where was his spidey sense at either of those moments?

again his focus wasn't on fighting   it was remove mj from danger  and again fighting multiple opponents  with different range of abilities than slade and venom being much quicker while trying to save lives in this setting he just has slade to worry about and slade has noone to use against him  

Look there’s only so many times we can use the ole “he was surprised” or “he didn’t expect the attack” as an excuse. In the below clip he also clearly wasn’t expecting Doc Ock to chunk a car at him while he was having lunch and talking with MJ, yet it was able to warn him with enough time for him grab MJ and dodge the car plus dozens of shrapnel. Why was the spidey sense able to warn him of that attack but it wasn’t able to warn him of the other attacks I listed?

because this was literally the only  attack that would have harmed him and he didn't know was coming my argument isn't that he is surprised my argument is he worries about others  more than himself and gets distracted while others are in danger but if you noticed the brief moments of one on one he reacts much better to attacks and and typically  does better  he gets tagged alot more when others are in danger 

 

10 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

Here’s something else to consider everyone, the Spidey sense of Tobey’s Spider-Man is pretty wonky and inconsistent compared to the comics version. In the first clip he’s blindsided from behind by Goblin without any warning. 

that wasn't showing goblin  attacking him without warning he was just midair and mid motion and focused on saving marry jane  and he was new to his powers this was all from the first movie he had just gotten them  he was way better with them in the 2nd and third movies 

10 hours ago, Pizzaguy2995 said:

And in the second clip his spidey sense failed him several times, namely at the very beginning when GG first wrapped him and hauled him into the woods without any sort of warning. Then once in the woods the sense failed to warn him about the bomb Gobby threw until it was literally right in front of his face! Now in the ensuing beat down you could argue that he was too stunned by the bomb to be expected to properly defend himself anyways, however at 1:14 he’s able to tangle Green Goblin up and use the few seconds to catch his breath and get his bearings. So you’d think at this point he’d take back control of the fight and yet the second he gets too close Gobby blindsides him again with a kick to the face! Where was his spidey sense during these instances?

again his arms were tied he just got done saving marry jane and a bunch of kids this was not his spider sense failing it was him being in a spot where he couldn't dodge  both the fly by and the bomb were right in his face he didn't need his spidersense  he saw them coming was just in a spot  where  he couldn't do much to avoid them 

So yeah, Tobey Maguire’s spidey sense is very unreliable and not nearly as effective as the comics Spider-Man, so I really doubt it’ll help him out against Deathstroke. You know, the guy who consistently keeps up with and tags Kid Flash (Wally and Bart).

it's pretty reliable   see explanation for 1 and 2 

i am going with fire lord a more versatile powerset and he has knocked out the surfer before so he can easily do enough damage   to put adam down 

not one of the stronger heralds but any herald is a solid threat 

if they are using there weapons then i have to admit shocker has the edge but in a fist fight  i have a chance 

2 hours ago, Gizmo Hibiki said:

Sure he's fought speedsters before, but Quicksilver is in no way in any of the Flash's league. Even the youngest speedster in the DC universe is fast enough to catch up to guys like Superman, while Quicksilver has trouble going up against guys that are mostly known for their strength like Apocalypse and has been hit by Cyclops's optic blast, who is in no way a speedster or a brawler. 

no but cyclops optic blasts can move upto the speed of light and so can quicksilver  flash is way faster but there casual speeds are about the same  rarely pushing himself unless he has too and even if flash lands it would take his crazier  attacks to put Apocalypse down  and Apocalypse could put him down with very little effort.

2 hours ago, Gizmo Hibiki said:

Sure he's fought speedsters before, but Quicksilver is in no way in any of the Flash's league. Even the youngest speedster in the DC universe is fast enough to catch up to guys like Superman, while Quicksilver has trouble going up against guys that are mostly known for their strength like Apocalypse and has been hit by Cyclops's optic blast, who is in no way a speedster or a brawler. 

1 minute ago, Twogunkid said:

I'm going to throw down on Midnighter's feats vs BJs in regards to durability in regards to surviving decapitation and having his head attached to a new body. He takes hits from Nazi super soldiers on the regular.

I've never understood Midnighter's precog so I am open to hearing about it because ate obviously isn't set so he reacts to stuff. Is it like Cassie Cain's reading someone's move?

 

he can see electrical activity in your brain and can predict what your going to do based on that he can also see every  possible outcome based on said moves he knows your powers  

one comic  it was shown that he can actually see his whole day in reverse  see the outcome he wants and  make every choice that leads to it

i call bs on this because he gets hit to much and has stated that  he has been ambushed  in ways that allowed him limited options  if this were true  then he would never bee in that spot 

 hulk 

iam leaning toward superman his exp will play a big apart 

it comes down to how quick he will use his voice  zod is physically more powerful but bolt can hang with thor and hulk  for a good while  so he won't go down quick to the kryptonian but zod is more ruthless and more tactically sound  bolt also has telepathy and matter manipulation damn this one is tough 

Apocalypse can react to superspeeds catching an axe thrown by thor tagging quicksilver on 2 separate occasions  and outright stating superspeed is useless against him  he can counter most of flash's attacks and only needs one shot to win this  even if flash tags him  Apocalypse could take a form that the blunt strikes of flash  couldn't hurt it is highly unlikly flash will find a way to put Apocalypse before Apocalypse can land one hit