Nesh

As I said, no one would win that debat lol.

Yeah, at this point, I think we just need to let things shake out, I could make some other smaller arguments like with Spider-Ham and his Spider-Nonsense power that makes him more cartoony the more danger he's in, and even with that it still took an army of Spider-people to bring down Morlun and his family, but no one is going to win an argument about who has more toon force. I'm almost certain I'm going to lose this one, but oh well, I had fun.

Honestly, I've just had fun debating it, and I've learned a lot about the '87 turtles. Confession, I've never watched the '87 cartoon. I think I saw the first live-action movie on TV when I was little with my first major exposures to TMNT being The Next Mutation and the '03 cartoon. Make of that what you will, especially the fact that I still have a soft spot for Next Mutation, which is widely considered the worst version of the Turtles. I had to try and back Morlun because he's my horse in this race, but if I lose the vote, I lose. It's no big deal. I knew I was in for and uphill battle when Rakai stepped up to bat for Mikey, and I tip my hat to a worthy opponent.

Dude, it's fine, it's all in good fun. Yeah, I'm debating, but I doubt I'm really going to be in the running to win this draft in the long-term, and even if I am, it's not a big deal. Vote however you want, no need to apologize to me,

Yeah, it would be helpful to know what time period in the show Mikey is from here, I've just been going with base. Of course, if it's unstable mutation Mikey it's kind of debatable whether would want to hunt him anyway. If radiation can mess him up who knows what an unstable mutation would do. Honestly, this is something that would really need a match with an acual set-up to give a more definitive answer.

And I've acknowledged that, I have. It's just when people are saying Morlun was "dropped by Spider-Man without acknowledging the context of how Spidey did it. It gelt like a downplay. I think looking at everything presented this match xould go either way, I just think Morlun wins slightly more often. Like 51 times out of a hundred.

Phrasing it as "he was dropped by Spider-Man" seemed like a sown play to me, sorry. Morlun also has the prep advantage, so escaping and evading is that much harder. Like I've said before, all respect to Mikey, again, favorite turtle, but I honestly think he wins this more than he loses. I'm not just defending him because he's on my team. If my character loses definitively I'll be the first to admit it and vote for the other guy, see Ronald McDonald vs Trix Rabbit last round.

Spider-man's one-on-one defeats of Morlun were all circumstantial, like Peter injecting himself with radiation in their first confrontation or being miraculouly rsurected with new powers and taking down and off guard Morlun in the Other. Morlun is actually above Peter. Hell, Peter's taken blows from Hulk before and is on record saying that Morlun's punches were the hardest he'd been hit, at least at the time, but the Hulk was before that so... Morlun scales to Spidey who has at dodged multiple sniper shots at once among other things putting him in the Hypersonic range. Mikey's though, I get that, but ket's not downplay Morlun here.

In a workshop full of uninished toys, it wouldn't be out of place. I wasn't aware something could look possessed.

So, all stuff a normal human could do, as in normal humans can survive electric shock and save another person from being on fire, and search for adventure, I fail to see how any of that is a counterargument. Yes she can be locked away by humans, but keep in mind she actually has the terrain advantage, being in a place full of dolls that gives her camouflage, has enough strength to not be easily fought off by humans, telekenetic powers... and is actively trying to kill rather than possess as is her usual M.O.

Well, at first it pretended to be the spirit of a little girl, but after she was found out she became much more direct, stabbing and such. Here, getting a chance to go for the kill would be easy.

I think we have to assume the contestants would at least attempt the challenge, in the spirit of the draft

I only ask because of how turtle biology might come into play, but then again, mutants, so..

Serious question how well would the TMNT handle the cold of Everest, because that could also be a factor as well.

Oof, in Santa's workshop too, where a doll will blend in...

Okay, I agree this is debatable, but Morlun is a super-tracker, expecially, if he so much as touches Mikey, there will be no escape. I still lean toward Morlun, with the utmost respect to our turtle friend.

And according to the scenario, Morlun has tracked Mikey here after months of prep...

Toon Force alone isn't enough to beat Morlun and his ilk, otherwise Spider-Ham would have soloed them all. I admire your willingness to go to bat for the TMNT, especially since, if I'm not mistaken, this isn't even your character, and I take no pleasure in this since Mikey is my favorite turtle, but I honestly feel he loses here. If I thought Mikey could win this outside of some slim chance, I'd admit that. I don't think either us is going to sway the other, at this point we just need to wait for the votes.

A demon possessed dol vs a normal human. Honestly, I wish I picked a better horror icon, but in this case, I think she wins.

And again Spider-Man has shown similar feats to Mikey with the gunfire thing and Morlun scales to that.

And I'm certain that spider-people across the multiverse have shown similar, if not superior levels of durability and Morlun can kill them so...

Mybe that slot needed to be a little more specific...

I mean, fair, but if the Doctor actually tries to make a monsteer, and let's assume he does for the challenge, given what he has fir reference in his own universe, I think he beast Rudy.

I think Morlun has too much of a stat lead on Mikey here. He's able to outpace the Spider-Sense, keep up with a webslinging Peter on foot and no-sell his punches. Mikey's getting his shell cracked.

I'm currently working on my next match which will be a continuation of this: https://www.magneticferret.com/forum/index.php?/topic/34088-match-15977-tommy-oliver-vs-ransik-early-ransik-arc-part-1. I've been neglecting this site and want to be a regular again. I wanted to add some stuff to the database for the arc, a Megazord mainly, but its lack of a Wikipedia page makes that difficult, if not impossible.