Nesh

I think Bruce is more athletically suited to this contest.

I mean, Daffy is pretty much the memetic loser of the main Loony Tunes, nothing really ever goes right for him, and Morlun is a highly effective hunter, so...

I don't think you can really convince Morlun you're not in season.  It'd be a goo fight, though.

5 hours ago, C.T. said:

There's no denying Bruce's physical prowess but this is like a typical tuesday thing for Black Cat given comics while this would be more a new experience for Bruce, so I figure Cat's got this.

Yeah, you're probably right.

8 hours ago, RiotGear said:

The Phantom of the Opera totally 'slays' have you heard his voice compared to Snow Misers.

I think it means kill, I'm not even sure Snow Miser can die.

No disrespect to the Texas rattlesnake, but Bruce likely has him beat in just about every athletic area and thus has a better chance of winning.

Thank God it's not the Indy 500 again.  Rush hour traffic doesn't really matter when you can fly.

1 hour ago, Culwych1 said:

I think we all know who this is meant to be. Let's not let a technicality get in the way of what could actually be a good debate.

Eh, I wasn't really being serious, I should have made that more clear.  I only figured it out because I clicked on the wiki link trying to get an idea of the feats I'd have to contend with/

Wait a minute, Edwin Jarvis isn't even an A,I, he's simply the man the J.A.R.V.I.S A.I.'s personality was based on.  I think I win by default.

4 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

You, I went for a broad definition, you are going for a very narrow one. 

Presenting this sort of proposal is as much about the presentation as about what is being proposed.

One of the biggest things is gonna be who can grab the attention of the audience more and sorry Seven is gonna attract more attention from a bunch of rich tech bros, for both appearance and personality. 

Remember Seven is an attractive intelligent woman, who at this point actually pursues proper human interaction, though is still a bit quirky, just the kinda person to hit big with old school nerds and companies wanting to do business with women in STEM fields. Doom is an angry arrogant violent asshole, wearing armor, not somebody most folks would wanna do business with.

And again, anybody looking at these twos backing organizations/origins is gonna be trepidatious at best about backing Doom. Who again runs a warmongering isolationist state. Any research funded runs the risk of being used against the investors.

Doing business with the Federation is a lot safer option, than doing business with Latvaria.

Also as a bit of push back, what tech does Vicky Von Doom have that is better than what Seven of Nine has access to?

I'm sorry the actual definition of the word is too narrow for you,  The Doombots are likely better than anything Seven could whip up, the Time Travel platform is beyond early 25th century Starfleet tech.  His armor on par with Iron Man, of which Trek has never shown.  Doom could do anything Seven could and more.

10 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

And Starfleet have had to negotiate for materials before

Here is what funding is,..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding

I have already discussed other parts of this match. You've simply latched on to your own semantic interpretation of part of what I said. 

For the record what we've been discussing covers not only whether the contestants would literally engage with the challenge, but also gives us an idea of how well they could if they chose to.

As the person who has more experience with and is more comfortable with asking for help, will do it better when required to do so.

So even if we assume Doom, begrudgingly commits, he is not going to be able to do so as well as Seven.

I pulled up a dictionary definition of funding, now who's arguing semantics?  Especially when the distinction espoused by that article has citation needed next to it. Doom would still be able to put together a more impressive proposal than Seven , because he can make better tech/

The Red-Shirted Ensigns' training doesn't stop them from being killed on every mission they go on, so...

5 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

Seven operates outside the normal system of Federation funding both on her own and as part of the Voyager crew. Their are also times that the Federation has negotiated terms for specific materials.

The prompt says funding, not what form that funding comes in.

Also being more function over form oriented than Doom and having grown to see the value in cooperation. Asking for help, even if it's not entirely needed. Is something Seven is more likely to do them Victor. 

Winning the match and going home, holds more value to Seven than it does to Doom. He is gonna be way more caught up in his own feelings about having to ask for help etc.

Dude, Seven's Captain of the flagship as of the end of Picard, my statement was accurate.  Funding by definition means money.

fund·ing

/ˈfəndiNG/

noun

money provided, especially by an organization or government, for a particular purpose.

"funding for the project was provided by the Housing Corporation"

the action or practice of providing money for a particular purpose.

"the public funding of litigation remains a core question"

So, again, neither one of them would have any reason to enter this this thing, So let's stop debating this and actually start debating who can put on the better show and secure more funding, which is the actual prompt.

9 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

Maybe, but he'd just as likely not even see the competition as worth his time and again having to ask for help would bruise his pride, probably even more so then winning would boost it.

Well why would Seven bother with a science fair to get funding (As the set-up says is the goal) when she's a Starfleet officer of high rank with free access to the technology of a post-scarcity Federation and the knowledge of the Borg?  In reality both of them would find this beneath them.  It's a moot point.

8 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

Semantics of my word choice aside. Doom doesn't ask, nor would he be comfortable or good at asking for help. At most he'd show up and make demands.

Seven has actually negotiated before, fairly routinely asks for help/advice, and has learned to work in groups. On top of being, while sometimes awkward and arrogant. Still a a pragmatist. 

She seems efficiency, Doom is out to stroke his own ego.

And winning would stroke his ego, therefore he'd put his all into it and he can make far better tech than Seven can.

20 minutes ago, RiotGear said:

In the literal sense perhaps, but I'm not sure we have to assume he does any more than show up. 

We have examples of similar things coming up in other matches. The fact that Conan had never ridden a bike was held against him in a triathlon match, it was assumed Bruce Lee wouldn't swim in another. Because these are things that the contestant either showed no ability to do or showed an inability/aversion to doing.

Similarly Doom doesn't grovel or pander. So I'm not sure we should treat it any different from the other examples.

Grovel?  Pander? No.  Show off and secure extra funding, yes.  It's not like Seven is much better socially adjusted than Doom.  She's not really one to "grovel" or "pander" as you put it either.

4 hours ago, RiotGear said:

On second thought, would Doom even be able to bring himself, to ask for help. I'm not sure his ego and pride would allow him to even try this.

We have to assume he does for the sake of the challenge.  Depending on when Seven is from she wouldn't do this either, but to disqualify her because of that would be disingenuous.  Hell, most scenarios in this tournament likely wouldn't play out.  I think to be fair to all sides we have to assume an atempt is made.

Well now, my horde pretty much invented this challenge, so....

4 hours ago, Twogunkid said:

His schemes include such extremes as riding on the outside of a speeding train followed by a disguise to rob children (0:36). He tries to hide in a G-Force simulator to get away with stolen Trix (10:41) That seems like addict behavior. In fact, he frequently robs children of their cereal. (Too many times to timestamp) He displays the strength and reckless of a crackhead. (8:35 when he casually runs through a wooden fence, 10:00 when he leaps a bowling alley carrying a bowling ball casually because he dreams of Trix) A guy stealing from children definitely has a problem.

He is willing to rob children of their entire food supply (which granted is just Trix. Some really irresponsible parenting/tour guiding) on a safari to feed his addiction (11:10)

His problem is so bad, he will fly a spaceship  to try and steal cereal from children in space (9:08)

He takes on Agent 47 level disguises to go after this cereal. Not limited to the crime of impersonating a police officer (5:08). He also throws a news anchor out mid broadcast to hijack it (14:56).

He frequently jumps about and discusses how they drive him wild. He disassociates from reality. These are not the actions of a stable individual. He loses his faculties just thinking of Trix (0:08, 7:06, 7:40, 9:48, 10:29)

First video for my timestamps.

Secondly, he has gotten Trix before. His reaction was so intense he leaped up and smacked his head against the ceiling. Trix are clearly kept away from the rabbit because they are no good for him.

Count Chocula on the other hand introduces himself as the super sweet monster with the super sweet cereal. He may have a rivalry with Frankenberry, but both argue for the cereal on the merits of "monstrously chocolate flavor" or "strawberry sweeties." They may argue with one another, but they are still promoting their cereals in a sane way. Throw in that Umbrella has made an undead problem. Who better than an undead to try and help smooth it over?

To be an addict he'd have to actually get the cereal on a regular basis.  He's gotten then like three times in six decades.  Any high or dependence he had would have worked his way out of his system, He's by definition not an addict.  In fact, just about every time he's gotten the Trix it's been by popular vote, he's clearly adored and trusted by the public, perfect for solving a PR problem.

1 hour ago, Twogunkid said:

He's not perfectly calm. Every commercial has him scheming to get the cereal.

Count Chocula is already used to using monsters as a selling point. Umbrella corporation would be crazy for him not to be their spokesperson.

Scheming to get something you want that has been denied to you for decades for no good reason doesn't mean you're not calm, nor does it make him an addict as you previously said.

8 hours ago, Twogunkid said:

But the rabbit would be like hiring an addict, no one will trust him to be of any worth as a spokesman. The Count at least can keep a calm demeanor for a press conference.

The rabbit is perfectly calm, you make it sound like his the Cocoa Puffs bird.  That's more an addict than the Trix rabbit,

7 hours ago, Mercenaryblade said:

This one is a toughie neither is too unique a costume HOWEVER I think you're more likely to see an Annabelle costume than a Jack Frost costume, and for that I think Jack Frost can win especially if there's a most unique/original category

Maybe, but I feel like a good Annabelle constume would be more imprssive than one of this particular Jack Frost.

Well, to be fair the Trix Rabbit can be pretty successful up until the point where he almost has the cereal.  If he stays away from a bowl of Trix he could do it.

Whereas I think I'm going to start falling off...

I mean Doom is probably capable of building most of Reed's stuff it depends on which blueprints he got, hell, having the exact plans may mitigate Doom's slight intelligence disadvantage. I was afraid of this very match up happening.  I got bad pulls this round.  I think I'm pretty much out of the running...