Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 How powerful are the telepaths/telekinetics in DBZ? King Kai is able to speak to the whole universe. Goku was able to read Krillin's mind simply by trying. Not only that (I think this is telekinesis) he blew up an area to bury Vegeta. He then used telekinesis on Frieza to push him away. I think the most powerful telekinetic is Frieza. He blew up Krillin with it, and threw an island at Goku. So in terms of Marvel/DC where would you place their tier of power? Also what do you think there potential of mind powers are?
Guest SSGoku Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Babidi was able to control the king of demons with ease, THE KING OF DEMONS! That should tell you something. So overall, not as powerful as Marvel, but there pretty decent.
AVP vs The Terminator Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Frieza has shown the best Telekinetic feats, but he didn't blow Krillin up with TK alone. He used telekinesis to immobilize Krillin, then killed him with an energy blast through the chest. Also, as I recall, Frieza didn't throw a whole island at Goku, he threw a few large boulders. The telekinesis feats you mentioned for Goku can mostly be attributed to Ki Manipulation, I think. As far as telepathy goes, none of the DBZ characters have shown the 'full set' of telepathic powers. Babidi was the only one with mind-control, and the rest haven't shown anything beyond reading minds and telepathically speaking to one another. Supreme Kai didn't speak to the whole universe, just Earth, BTW. So yeah, if they were put into the Marvel or DC universes with their mental powers alone, they'd be relatively low-tier.
Guest SSGoku Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Frieza has shown the best Telekinetic feats, but he didn't blow Krillin up with TK alone. He used telekinesis to immobilize Krillin, then killed him with an energy blast through the chest. Also, as I recall, Frieza didn't throw a whole island at Goku, he threw a few large boulders. The telekinesis feats you mentioned for Goku can mostly be attributed to Ki Manipulation, I think. As far as telepathy goes, none of the DBZ characters have shown the 'full set' of telepathic powers. Babidi was the only one with mind-control, and the rest haven't shown anything beyond reading minds and telepathically speaking to one another. Supreme Kai didn't speak to the whole universe, just Earth, BTW. So yeah, if they were put into the Marvel or DC universes with their mental powers alone, they'd be relatively low-tier.Actually no, Krillin WAS killed by TK. Piccolo was the one hit with a ki blast, Frieza just blew Krillin up via TK. And I don't see how ki manipulation can be used to read minds, cause avalanches, or push people away.
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Frieza has shown the best Telekinetic feats, but he didn't blow Krillin up with TK alone. He used telekinesis to immobilize Krillin, then killed him with an energy blast through the chest. Also, as I recall, Frieza didn't throw a whole island at Goku, he threw a few large boulders. The telekinesis feats you mentioned for Goku can mostly be attributed to Ki Manipulation, I think. As far as telepathy goes, none of the DBZ characters have shown the 'full set' of telepathic powers. Babidi was the only one with mind-control, and the rest haven't shown anything beyond reading minds and telepathically speaking to one another. Supreme Kai didn't speak to the whole universe, just Earth, BTW. So yeah, if they were put into the Marvel or DC universes with their mental powers alone, they'd be relatively low-tier.Nah Frieza threw a huge land mass at Goku, to which Gohan said "He's throwing an island at him". He did throw huge boulders and had them swarm like bees. Also I didn't know Namek was part of Earth
Guest SSGoku Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Nah Frieza threw a huge land mass at Goku, to which Gohan said "He's throwing an island at him". He did throw huge boulders and had them swarm like bees. Also I didn't know Namek was part of Earth True, plus, King Kai did that with ease. If he was trying his hardest I'm sure he could do more. Not the whole universe, but surely a galaxy or two.
AVP vs The Terminator Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Mh, the island thing wasn't present in the manga, which, being the source material, is the highest grade of canon. Also, I can't be 100% positive until I check the manga out of the library again, but I'm about 95% sure that, in the manga, Frieza impaled Krillin, then froze him with TK and blasted him. Also, Namek + Earth is nowhere near the whole universe. If I remember correctly, he linked Goku with the residents of Earth and Namek and broadcasted the same message to everyone; this is far less impressive than what the likes of Martian Manhunter have accomplished. There's no indication given that Kai is broadcasting to the entire universe, or even a galaxy.
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Also, Namek + Earth is nowhere near the whole universe. If I remember correctly, he linked Goku with the residents of Earth and Namek and broadcasted the same message to everyone; this is far less impressive than what the likes of Martian Manhunter have accomplished. There's no indication given that Kai is broadcasting to the entire universe, or even a galaxy.Eh, he rules over the North Galaxy, I'd imagine he'd be able to talk to anyone, anywhere in his area. He'd be a pretty useless ruler other wise.
Guest SSGoku Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Eh, he rules over the North Galaxy, I'd imagine he'd be able to talk to anyone, anywhere in his area. He'd be a pretty useless ruler other wise.Meh, he's sorta useless as it is. What exactly does he do other then sit on hi little planet like a fatass? lol
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Meh, he's sorta useless as it is. What exactly does he do other then sit on hi little planet like a fatass? lolTrain warriors, watch over an entire quadrant of the universe.
Indolent Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Their universe is small... its only four Galaxies.
Guest SSGoku Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Train warriors, watch over an entire quadrant of the universe.Well in the manga, the only warrior he trained was Goku. And as for watching over an entire quadrant of the universe, well, he still doesn't really do anything. Case in point, Frieza, and the saiyans. It's like me watching someone get mugged, but not doing anything to stop it. And don't say he was to weak to do anything, because I'm sure The Supreme Kai wpups be willing to help out if the threat was as big as Frieza.
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Good question. DBZ has shown more telepathic and telekinetic feats than you all give credit for.If we start from the get go, we have Tien and Chiatzu showing telepathy, and telekinesis. Chiatzu was able to "see" and rig the names from the raffles. Chiatzu was able to telepathically speak to Tien, and Master Shen.He was able to stop Krillin for a while. Tien has shown TK and Telepathy King Kai CAN speak to anyone in the universe, but sticks to his section of it. (that is w/o trying hard)Goku learned how to use telepathy by just doing it. Goku has been able to use it ever since, but doesn';t in battle, since they know someone skilled enough won't be affected by it. Frieza moved a small island and wasn't even trying. Kid Buu had high end TK. etc. I can go on This is to show that in DBZ they just need to practice something and then they can do it. Same reason why GOku is a better fighter than Batman and or IronFist, because while Batman and them received training formally (As you all like to say) Goku and them were trained far above that. Most notably they went become styles and exact forms, to actually be able to fight on that high of levels.
Guest Dr. Pymp(mex) Posted September 9, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 9, 2011 Well in the manga, the only warrior he trained was Goku. And as for watching over an entire quadrant of the universe, well, he still doesn't really do anything. Case in point, Frieza, and the saiyans. It's like me watching someone get mugged, but not doing anything to stop it. And don't say he was to weak to do anything, because I'm sure The Supreme Kai wpups be willing to help out if the threat was as big as Frieza. SSGoku you really are going to say that he doesn;t do anything? How about train Earth Z Fighters and every other fighter in his quadrant since who knows how long. Olibu was trained as well and many others. You saying he doesn;t do anything is like saying God doesn;t do anything Have you seen God in real life do anything? No but yet people say he does everything. Same thing. He is a guardian not a Jedi.
Guest Hayesmeister5651 Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 Their universe is small... its only four Galaxies.But who is to say there one galaxy isn't the size of our entire universe? I wonder how Guldo's time freeze and paralysis would work on the likes of say Magneto? His time freeze seems unblockable, the only draw back being it lasts as long as he holds his breath.
Guest force_echo Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 Umm, because our universe is infinite? And a galaxy isn't?
C.T. Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 In our terms force. This is DBZ, where the leader of the world is a talking dog, dinosaurs roam the earth, moons get destroyed with no consequence, etc. It's not logical.
Indolent Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 But who is to say there one galaxy isn't the size of our entire universe? I wonder how Guldo's time freeze and paralysis would work on the likes of say Magneto? His time freeze seems unblockable, the only draw back being it lasts as long as he holds his breath.It also drains massive amounts of energies. And it also requires him calling out, TIME FREEZE, and as with the Ginyu Force, he strikes a pose via sticking his hands out. Pretty sure Magneto could erect defenses almost instantly before Guldo completes his sentence.
Guest force_echo Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 But it makes no sense. Our Universe is infinite, so how can you have more than 1 galaxy if one is infinite? Just pointing out a physics fail here.
C.T. Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 I understand that, but DBZ is inherently illogical. It's ludicrous to try and apply our rules and logic to it.
Guest Djgambrell Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 I understand that, but DBZ is inherently illogical. It's ludicrous to try and apply our rules and logic to it.Depends how you view it. Many experts now believe the universe is finite.
C.T. Posted September 10, 2011 Read Aloud Posted September 10, 2011 I mean that aside, there are numerous plot holes abound... Vegeta explains that the battle suits worn by Frieza's army can grow to any size, as was shown when Vegeta grew into a giant ape. Then in the very next moment Vegeta states the only new model suits left were too small for him. Okay, so Goku and Gohan are training in the Room of Spirit and Time and Gohan is trying to reach the level of Super Sayian by way of "pain from loss". When Goku says, "Imagine Cell killing us all." Gohan says he has no idea what Cell looks like. That's all fine and good...right when we get into Gohan's nightmare of Cell killing his mother and Piccolo. What bugs me? If Gohan didn't know what Cell looked like, then how was he able to picture Cell exactly how we know him? Dr. Gero is shocked when Goku and Vegeta go SSJ. The explanation given is that Dr. Gero wasn't monitoring them in space. But wait, didn't Trunks go SSJ on earth in his fight with Frieza? Goku too? Doesn't really bug me but does anyone else find it a bit amusing how at the beginning Frieza was hyped up as this huge meglomaniac alien who's power and evil is beyond all comprehension and is a huge threat to Earth should he ever reach there. Then in the next arc he does actually arrive at Earth and is quickly dispatched and the next group of villains are not only home-grown on Earth, but are far more powerful than Frieza? How did the Androids not kill everyone on Earth in 14 years? And why are people still going to places like amusement parks after all that time?
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